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August 17th, 2020, 09:12
It's not like reviewers provide any valuable information about any game. There was a time when you'd see what they have to see to consider if the game is for you, nowadays they are just random joes that don't even know proper grammar, and are heavily biased because of factors that have nothing to do with the actual gameplay of any game. The best you can get out of them is what kind of game is, for what platform, and with luck a couple of screenshots that give you a general idea of how the game plays. Everything else is rubbish.
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August 17th, 2020, 11:56
Originally Posted by Nereida View Post
It's not like reviewers provide any valuable information about any game. There was a time when you'd see what they have to see to consider if the game is for you, nowadays they are just random joes that don't even know proper grammar, and are heavily biased because of factors that have nothing to do with the actual gameplay of any game. The best you can get out of them is what kind of game is, for what platform, and with luck a couple of screenshots that give you a general idea of how the game plays. Everything else is rubbish.
I agree to everything but for what you can get out of them since they are often even not literate enough about games to get the kind right.
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August 17th, 2020, 13:18
It's quite simple journalists are not writing for the reader anymore on most larger gaming sites. It's all about recognition and a pat on the back in their own online circle nowadays.

One point of view - https://www.keengamer.com/articles/f…ames-industry/

I miss the days when all I had was a physical PC Gamer magazine.

Also this Ex-IGN editor put it in perspective.

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August 17th, 2020, 14:39
While there are bad reviewers I think as a whole reviewers get a raw deal. Theyíre rarely judged on the quality of their reviews.

They get judged on wether the reader agrees with their review or not.

Write a negative review on a game the reader likes and you're pandering to whatever subsection of people the reader doesnít like, obviously didnít play it, etc, etc.

Write a negative review about a game the reader doesnít like and itís a great review.

Write a positive review about a game the reader likes and again it was a great review.

Write a positive review about a game the reader doesnít like and youíre taking money, pandering, didnít play, etc.

Say the game has bug and the reader didnít experience any and youíre obviously computer illiterate or are playing on an ibm xt 286.

Say the games stable and reader has bugs well then youíre getting paid again.

Reviewers know this. Itís not surprising that the girl in the video says they care more what their peers think of the reviews than players. Peers are more apt to judge the content of the review rather than if they agree with the content.
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August 17th, 2020, 15:42
Lady makes sense but that should not be an excuse to be confused with what she is talking about and Steam reviewers.
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August 17th, 2020, 15:45
Don't worry I put no faith in Steam or Metacrtic reviews myself.

To many 0's and 10's.
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August 17th, 2020, 15:52
Originally Posted by sakichop View Post
While there are bad reviewers I think as a whole reviewers get a raw deal. Theyíre rarely judged on the quality of their reviews.

They get judged on wether the reader agrees with their review or not.

Write a negative review on a game the reader likes and you're pandering to whatever subsection of people the reader doesnít like, obviously didnít play it, etc, etc.

Write a negative review about a game the reader doesnít like and itís a great review.

Write a positive review about a game the reader likes and again it was a great review.

Write a positive review about a game the reader doesnít like and youíre taking money, pandering, didnít play, etc.

Say the game has bug and the reader didnít experience any and youíre obviously computer illiterate or are playing on an ibm xt 286.

Say the games stable and reader has bugs well then youíre getting paid again.

Reviewers know this. Itís not surprising that the girl in the video says they care more what their peers think of the reviews than players. Peers are more apt to judge the content of the review rather than if they agree with the content.

I don't think it's like that and I will dismount it point by point, using myself as an example.

If a reviewer writes a negative review on a game I don't like, I take into consideration what parts of it they didn't like. If it's a roguelike and the review says as a negative thing "It's too punishing and when you die you have to start over keeping just some a fraction of what you earned in your whole previous playthrough", then yes, he's a shit reviewer that doesn't know what roguelike games are about. If the game has complex combat layers and about 50 different creatures but the reviewer says "the enemies are always the same, and you basically just move and attack the whole time", then yes, he's a shit reviewer that didn't bother to play the game beyond the first half hour. Especially if you compare with other reviews that know what they're talking about and while they may have similar scores, they at least played the game they took a responsibility of reviewing for the people who will read it. If the reviewer mentions parts of the game that I've noticed to be faulty, but I personally put up with them because for whatever reason it's worth "suffering" through it for me, then I'll say it's a fair review, even if to me, the game would deserve a tad higher score.

If the reviewer writes a negative review about a game I don't like, I don't know why I was reading a negative review about a game I didn't like. I don't waste time on those. But I suppose you know what you're talking about by personal experience?

If the reviewer writes a positive review about a game I like, I'll find a certain degree of empathy. We all love to find people who have similar tastes with us, even here on these boards, people keep posting opinions about games they like, hunting for that one moment when someone sides with them, as if that gave validation to their opinions. I honestly don't think it makes the reviewer better, just as it doesn't make me think better of you or anyone when they share my opinion of a game. It just means you agree on something.

If you write a positive review about a game I don't like, again, it depends. If it's a good game from a genre I don't touch, I accept it. I dislike sport games and heavily scripted action games, but I do acknowledge that FIFA 20** and GTA* they are very well done games for their target audiences, and thus deserve a very high score. It is different if sayÖ someone gives a 10/10 to garbage like The Outer Worlds just because they want to shit on Bethesda by exhalting their newborn competition. That's a bad reviewer that just says what he thinks people want to hear to get upvotes and clicks.

In general, most reviewers are as someone mentioned a couple posts ago, self-centered individuals that just want to position themselves in a niche where they'll get a portion of the cake in the form of followers/subscribers, so that they can live of off their shitty, unqualified job, for which they never studied or went to any university for. And as such, their credibility rounds up to about a total sum of zero.

There are exceptions, of course. There are real journalists with prestige and earned respect in the gaming industry. Few and far in between. But we're talking here about the bulk of them, and that's what this post goes directed towards.
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August 17th, 2020, 16:30
Wholeheartedly agree Nereida but that's you not the other vast users on the internet. If we delve into that grey area the opinions shared will be a lot different from yours.

I've seen so much crap in the last twenty years it's amazing how much has changed.
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August 17th, 2020, 19:29
I admit I'm perhaps a bit of an outlier when it comes to reviews. When get wind of a game I might be interested in playing, I monitor it's development progress to see where it's going. If the mechanics and story ticks most of my boxes, then I keep a close eye on it. Elex is a case in point. From early game-play videos, I liked the setting, the story, and game-play enough that I pre-ordered, a first for me. I played it all the way through and really enjoyed the experience. Was it a perfect game without any issues? Not according to a fair number or reviews. But perfection and a flawless hardware experience is not what I'm looking for in a game, which is not to say I'm satisfied with a buggy, clunky game either. I'm happy with a good, if not perfect, game experience. With the vast array of hardware, drivers, and stupid PC owners out there, I'm amazed games for PCs run as well as they do.
Maybe this is a log-winded way of saying that to me, reviews are largely irrelevant. I rely on my own observations and investigations.
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August 17th, 2020, 21:06
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If the mechanics and story ticks most of my boxes, then I keep a close eye on it. Elex is a case in point. From early game-play videos, I liked the setting, the story, and game-play enough that I pre-ordered, a first for me. I played it all the way through and really enjoyed the experience.
If you enjoyed Elex, you might like HZD. It does a good job of capturing a post-apoc atmosphere similar to the way Elex did. The exploration isn't quite as good, but the combat is a lot more fluid, and the setting is pretty unique.

I liked Elex a little more overall, but this is the best post-apoc game I've played since.
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August 18th, 2020, 00:18
With regard to game reviews, I don't think the standards have ever been very high. There's never really been much of a concept of serious journalism in gaming, and in the early days it was just keen gamers that fell into the emerging opportunities of writing for the new publications. Now the games industry is gargantuan, and there is no end of schmucks trying find some coin by setting themselves up as critics or youtube windbags. A lot of the more tiresome rubbish is pure clickbait.

I think the gaming industry is still an immature animal, and a lot of the problems we see are its growing pains.
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