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November 18th, 2018, 16:05
Originally Posted by ChatMiauleur View Post
They are not floating in any market so have very few people/organizations to convince. And they are probably launching that as a first ride, a beta test before their space game, a new Elder Scroll and so on. Probably been presented as this internally.

It is not like if it was the first time they have shown they do not give a flying shit, most of their game have only been supported by the community for years. Now they have shut down that possibility, it is only them and it shows.
I agree. This is more like a public experiment, a testing of the waters. and I'm sure their expectations for its reception were modest. And, as you say, I think it speaks to their blase overconfidence.
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November 18th, 2018, 16:10
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I agree. This is more like a public experiment, a testing of the waters. and I'm sure their expectations for its reception were modest. And, as you say, I think it speaks to their blase overconfidence.
I don't get the hate for the game, at all.

But one observation I've made that might interest people, is that I'm sure most of the people in the game are playing solo. Which tells me that it is mostly traditional Fallout fans, and not some new crop of PvP players, which Bethesda may have hoped to attract. But PvP is not that much fun in the game. Solo is fun and is what most people are doing.

So when I say PvP is not fun in the game. You can attack someone in the game who is not interested in PvP. But it is really not worth the trouble. You will do very little damage to them. They can just run away and disappear off the map. They can just fast travel away. They can jump servers. They can block you. If you do manage to kill them, you'll get a bounty on your head and will be wanted. And it's 100% guaranteed if there are many players on the map at the time, you'll get hunted down. Game is not made at all for involuntary PvP. Which is probably why most PvP people are saying it's not fun.

I think most players would rather not even have the PvP, but it's still very playable in solo mode.
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November 18th, 2018, 16:18
Stop trying to redefine what playing solo means.

If I sit in the same room as 10 other people, I am not alone. Regardless of whether or not I directly interact with them.
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Stop trying to redefine what playing solo means.

If I sit in the same room as 10 other people, I am not alone. Regardless of whether or not I directly interact with them.
Sounds like you are confusing solo with single player.
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November 18th, 2018, 17:28
Originally Posted by Hyperion View Post
I don't get the hate for the game, at all.

But one observation I've made that might interest people, is that I'm sure most of the people in the game are playing solo. Which tells me that it is mostly traditional Fallout fans, and not some new crop of PvP players, which Bethesda may have hoped to attract. But PvP is not that much fun in the game. Solo is fun and is what most people are doing.

So when I say PvP is not fun in the game. You can attack someone in the game who is not interested in PvP. But it is really not worth the trouble. You will do very little damage to them. They can just run away and disappear off the map. They can just fast travel away. They can jump servers. They can block you. If you do manage to kill them, you'll get a bounty on your head and will be wanted. And it's 100% guaranteed if there are many players on the map at the time, you'll get hunted down. Game is not made at all for involuntary PvP. Which is probably why most PvP people are saying it's not fun.

I think most players would rather not even have the PvP, but it's still very playable in solo mode.
The game isn't dedicated to anything and ends up failing at every aspect. It's a crappy shooter and a crappy rpg and crappy builder/survival game/looter/etc. On top of that, it looks ugly And runs very poorly at the same time.
Seriously, this would likely be cancelled by most AAA publishers.

I really have no idea what they were trying to do here. It would've been better if they just let ID design shooting and make it open world PvP in Fallout universe.

Or full blown faction based MP…now that would be interesting.
Pick a role at the start, each with different progression/perks/stats/skills/gear, etc: NCR, Legion, Brotherhood , Supermutants, Ghouls, etc.
Large scale war where you build bases for your faction and try to take control of whole territory.
And each group having different build options, sort of like in strategy games, offense/defense.
I could see something like this selling like crazy. Though old school fans would probably still resent this, this time even "mainstream" simply isn't willing to tolerate standard issues from Bethesda.
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November 18th, 2018, 18:28
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The game isn't dedicated to anything and ends up failing at every aspect. It's a crappy shooter and a crappy rpg and crappy builder/survival game/looter/etc. On top of that, it looks ugly And runs very poorly at the same time.
Seriously, this would likely be cancelled by most AAA publishers.

I really have no idea what they were trying to do here. It would've been better if they just let ID design shooting and make it open world PvP in Fallout universe.

Or full blown faction based MP…now that would be interesting.
Pick a role at the start, each with different progression/perks/stats/skills/gear, etc: NCR, Legion, Brotherhood , Supermutants, Ghouls, etc.
Large scale war where you build bases for your faction and try to take control of whole territory.
And each group having different build options, sort of like in strategy games, offense/defense.
I could see something like this selling like crazy. Though old school fans would probably still resent this, this time even "mainstream" simply isn't willing to tolerate standard issues from Bethesda.
Sooo, what are you trying to say? You don't like it?
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November 18th, 2018, 18:47
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Sounds like you are confusing solo with single player.
No, you are. This is a multi-player experience where players are tasked to make this world interesting to each other. You make it sounds like if it was some SP game with fun quests, lots of exploration and when you are done, well, you have finished the game. There is no such thing, quests are poor, there is no NPC and there is nothing to achieve as a goal for any single player here.

This is a MMO light, like Conan, it is a persistent world where you are supposed to gather resources with friends, build a base, trade with other bases, attack them if you want to and so on and so on.
That is what the game is about. People are supposed to play it for months.
And it is piss poor at that.

Bethesda being Bethesda they tried the theme park approach, they just dropped the charade about this is a destroyed world and you have to survive it.
Everything you knew has been destroyed? No problem, you do not care, gather some friends, and build a base. You are one cold bastard.
In truth, you have nothing really to survive to since other survivors cannot really kill you if you do not want to, food and water are never really an issue and radiations are a mere inconvenience.

What about the other survivors who were not in any Vault? Did they become cannibals, raiders, slavers or whatever they had to do to survive? No, just no, only voices on some tapes because bloody tapes are the kind of technology to survive a nuclear after effect.

Come on, enjoy it if you want but do not present as what it never was meant to be.
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November 18th, 2018, 19:33
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Stop trying to redefine what playing solo means.
Sounds like you are confusing solo with single player.
Could be but I'm unsure. So lemme try to explain what I think.

Solo playing (viola) in a singleplayer game (orchestra):
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Not solo but coop (two oboe) in a singleplayer game (orchestra) would be this:
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MMO where everyone plays for themselves as the "game" is about nothing really:
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November 18th, 2018, 19:45
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Or full blown faction based MP…now that would be interesting.
Pick a role at the start, each with different progression/perks/stats/skills/gear, etc: NCR, Legion, Brotherhood , Supermutants, Ghouls, etc.
While interesting, I don't think the rest of the game has enough depth to really offer rewards for a development of factions. Ideally, you want an economy and at least one town/city for each of those factions. Something that gives credence to the group beyond, "ME SMASH!" A post-apocalyptic setting is ripe for setting up vastly different factions with completely isolated motivations (potentially hearkening back to Tim Cain's ideas for fallout 1).

But this is all impossible with Bethesda really. They are not up to the task of developing complex systems in their games - whether due to ineptitude or sheer laziness - and instead rely solely on physical world building with little regard for the systems and motivations for that world. Why have ghouls, supermutants, and raiders become mindless targets in the latest Bethesda Fallouts? Simply because providing a backstory and potential civilization-altering paths would require too much effort and be prohibitive for copy/pasting.

Todd Howard's PR-speak for using the same engine for TES VI can thusly be applied not simply to the tech, but also the design of Bethesda games:
That lets us be efficient and we think it works best.

It's simply more "efficient" to create a bland world without interesting systems of society. This is all well and good with their TES series that relies on a derivative fantasy setting (for which consumers have come to expect droll and cliche settings), but it's all so much more glaring when juxtaposing that design theory into a post-apoc setting that could truly nourish the inherent chaos of lawless society.

So, instead we get an endless scavenger for respawning junk and level 50 zombies.
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November 18th, 2018, 19:56
Ok, just checked the meta critic reviews page. The overall rating based on player reviews is sitting at a shocking 3.0 out of 10. That is based on over 2000 ratings.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-76

That has to be a record low not only for a Bethseda game but I'm thinking also for a major game release from a AAA video game developer, at least in the recent past.
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November 18th, 2018, 20:06
Could be the lowest. Battlefield 5 is slightly better (3.4 from console users). CoD: Black Ops 4 too (3.5 from PC users). Same goes for Destiny 2 (3.5 from PC users).

If we take singleplayers into account, then FIFA 19 is probably the worst scored AAA title by users ever (less than 2.0 across all platforms).
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November 18th, 2018, 20:12
Normies are finally figuring out stuff about Bethesda Fallout that I already figured out with Fallout 3 - it is crap.
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November 18th, 2018, 20:21
Have to add something.
I'm not sure what's with Battlefront 2 metacritic pages. But something is fishy. That game had user score around 1 back in the day. Go here and then check the release date and scores on both PC and xbox versions then try to return to PS page - not possible:
https://www.metacritic.com/game/play…battlefront-ii

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November 18th, 2018, 20:27
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Sounds like you are confusing solo with single player.
… and that's a synonym.
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November 18th, 2018, 23:24
None of us should really be surprised, I mean look at just how bad Fallout four was. To this day I still cannot believe I actually played through the entire game, when compared to previous Fallout games, it failed utterly on so many levels. This online fiasco just takes that about ten steps further in a very wrong direction.
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November 18th, 2018, 23:43
Sorry can't agree with this.
If you apply just two mods, FO4, IMO, gets very close to 9/10. These two:
- no trashmobs respawn
- no "another settlement needs" rubbish
Without those two mods I would probably uninstall it after a couple of hours.

But FO76 is MMO. You can't mod everspawning trashmobs and fetch radiant crap out of it, right?
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November 18th, 2018, 23:52
Your standard for a good game is pretty binary, Joxer.

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You can't mod everspawning trashmobs and fetch radiant crap out of it, right?
You can't mod anything until, at the earliest, November 2019 and the introduciton of private servers. If the game survives that long.
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You can't mod anything until, at the earliest, November 2019 and the introduciton of private servers. If the game survives that long.
Well, there's this: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout76?tab=new+this+week

All client-side though. No removal of trash mobs.
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November 19th, 2018, 01:06
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There's also this mod to transfer your own settlements you like from some older character or some other builds from other people to your game: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/22442
Personally I could never get that damn transfer settlement mod to work in Fallout 4. I tied to transfer a few of mine, and even downloaded a few off of nexus to try out.
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