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Kingdom Come - Drunk Quicksaves and More
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I smell a... wumpus!?
So now we can wine and cheese a difficult spot instead of just cheesing it?
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Dunno about cheese, but I love the quicksave idea.
Spam quicksave = get drunk with lowered stats. Hell, why noone else made this system? Don't tell me, everyone else uses checkpoints because no HDD to hold savegames...
Spam quicksave = get drunk with lowered stats. Hell, why noone else made this system? Don't tell me, everyone else uses checkpoints because no HDD to hold savegames...
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I guess I will have a lot of hangovers.
This project looked like a big experiment from the very beginning. The drunk autosave is just another piece.
I'm very much looking forward to participating in this experiment by playing the game.
The game will bring some innovations for sure. Some will prevail and some will be thrown away.
I'm very much looking forward to participating in this experiment by playing the game.
The game will bring some innovations for sure. Some will prevail and some will be thrown away.
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Make sure you pay no attention to the dialogue! It's horrid.
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That's possible, I've only played the English version. But it was really the writing that was the issue. It didn't strike me as a translation thing, but who knows.
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Maybe it was some kind of placeholder quest dialogue - but I don't think so. You rarely do placeholder voice-overs because of the price involved.
I'm usually not that hard on dialogue - I mean, I tend to enjoy PB games in that way - but this was really, really terrible.
Probably, it was the combination of a "realistic" setting with a very convincing environment in a visual sense - and utter amateur-hour 12-year old writing.
If it had been just another high fantasy RPG - I might not even have noticed.
I'm usually not that hard on dialogue - I mean, I tend to enjoy PB games in that way - but this was really, really terrible.
Probably, it was the combination of a "realistic" setting with a very convincing environment in a visual sense - and utter amateur-hour 12-year old writing.
If it had been just another high fantasy RPG - I might not even have noticed.
One thing that did occur to me is what will they do in those regions where drinking is illegal ? I wonder if those states also ban virtual drinking. Probably…. something about social corruption. Maybe there will be a verison with apple juice instead of booze ?
^ This!
If it's not a multiplayer game, let people play how they want. I don't 'spam save' generally, but sometimes I want to shut my PC down and I have to continue playing because there's no save point or some such crap. Screw that. I hate being told when I can save. I also have concerns around game corruption, which tends to mean I save more than I have to.
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Not autosave.
Only quicksave.
You don't get drunk on every quicksave. You get drunk if you spam F5 like crazy.
Did anyone read that article at all?
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I'm in favor of features like that. Still debating if the more hardcore ones should be optional, but I guess it depends on what the developer is going for. More hardcore options generally mean less sales (players get too frustrated, negative reviews ensue, etc.), so optional modes and features could possibly mitigate some of that. When I play something like ELEX I wish it had more hardcore options or consequences in some areas.
Thing is, I think they are making a PB-style game now. It will be interesting to see the end result. It might get wrecked in reviews.
Thing is, I think they are making a PB-style game now. It will be interesting to see the end result. It might get wrecked in reviews.
Sure, but I don't think they should enforce any save constraint - have a 'hard core'/'ironman' mode if you want to dictate how people play. It's not their job to be a nanny to players. It is also a a rather silly idea - what possible reason would there be to get drunk? It's completely contrived - not like some games where you have some game element like 'memory capacity' or something that may sound vaguely plausible.
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I don't have good experience with designers trying to play daddy who go about restricting player behavior.
Much like PoE and their "campfire" restriction, this smells like an utterly pointless attempt at balancing in a way that the game neither needs nor benefits from.
That said, maybe I'm wrong - and it's really great not being able to quicksave when I want - or getting punished for doing it.
If your game is better when players can't save progress when they want - then DO NOT IMPLEMENT THAT FEATURE.
Translation: Understand game design and don't do things halfway.
Much like PoE and their "campfire" restriction, this smells like an utterly pointless attempt at balancing in a way that the game neither needs nor benefits from.
That said, maybe I'm wrong - and it's really great not being able to quicksave when I want - or getting punished for doing it.
If your game is better when players can't save progress when they want - then DO NOT IMPLEMENT THAT FEATURE.
Translation: Understand game design and don't do things halfway.
Over the years i created and administered several (diku) muds. There was a common form of disagreement between management members of the management team. The issue was how to deal with new clever ways to do a n area. There some on the management team who would scream cheat and 'punish' players for being 'clever'. My approach was that if a player did something that I thought was too 'cheesey' was not to say something to the player or penalize the player but rather to adjust the code or zone to address the issue.
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Now the analogy isn't quite the same since muds were multi-player and there was some concern about item bloat and global economy. When it comes to single player game i tend to lean on the side of let the players play how they like to play but then again this feature doesn't seem like a huge head-ach after all in the worse case i can spend all day reloading to avoid the drunk effect. Having said that it sounds silly that I hsould have to spend all day being cheesy and reloading to deal with a feature that was added to prevent me from being cheesy which begs the question why try to stop me from being cheesy if I'm just going to be cheesy to get around your anti-cheesy solution. Either way I think i can live with it as long as I can be cheesy when I feel like being cheesy.
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maybe I should just go back and play muds.
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Now the analogy isn't quite the same since muds were multi-player and there was some concern about item bloat and global economy. When it comes to single player game i tend to lean on the side of let the players play how they like to play but then again this feature doesn't seem like a huge head-ach after all in the worse case i can spend all day reloading to avoid the drunk effect. Having said that it sounds silly that I hsould have to spend all day being cheesy and reloading to deal with a feature that was added to prevent me from being cheesy which begs the question why try to stop me from being cheesy if I'm just going to be cheesy to get around your anti-cheesy solution. Either way I think i can live with it as long as I can be cheesy when I feel like being cheesy.
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maybe I should just go back and play muds.