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GoT seems to be morphing in a way I don't like. They're clearly in a rush, hence unconvincing scenarios from last week's episode…maybe they have access to a teleportation network? Also, won't spoil it for others…but the night king's new acquisition is just typically 'hollywood'. Disappointing and predictable (and where did they get 30 tons of large chain from? I suppose it was lying about for just such an emergency…really.)

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As far as last night's episode is concerned…

I almost felt sorry for Littlefinger. I knew he would eventually get what was coming to him, but I wasn't expecting it yet. I figured he'd last until the final season at least.

He died like a little bitch too. :)
 
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GoT seems to be morphing in a way I don't like. They're clearly in a rush, hence unconvincing scenarios from last week's episode…maybe they have access to a teleportation network? Also, won't spoil it for others…but the night king's new acquisition is just typically 'hollywood'. Disappointing and predictable (and where did they get 30 tons of large chain from? I suppose it was lying about for just such an emergency…really.)

When we start trying to argue realism, in a fantasy setting based on magic and dragons and undead, then we've lost the meaning of the word fantasy. I remember many seasons back when Dany lifted a couple of chains from her dragon and the internet went crazy wondering how she got so strong.

It's like stand-up comedy in a way. Louis CK has this bit about how he goes to a doctor to ask about the pain in his ankle and the doctor just tells him "it's old and worn out. Here's some painkillers." Then he asks, what if I was an athlete? "you're not an athlete." (obviously he tells it funnier). But if you then decided to join his monologue, and disassemble the joke and say something "Well that doctor should have offered options!!!" then you missed the point of humour, and it's just not for you. I think it's the same way in watching (or reading) fantasy.
 
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I think realism can be discussed even for fantasy. It really comes down to if things makes sense within that realm, which is already set up and that we've come to know and we have certain expectations from. Even for a silly cartoon or for a Superhero movie you can discuss if something seems "unrealistic" (which for example can be that it just doesn't fit in within that realm).

But i think we can safely say that things have changed quite a bit since S1 and that we need to adapt.

All in all i really enjoyed this season, even though it sometimes was very, very stupid and unrealistic.
 
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Suspension of disbelief is necessary in any good storytelling. Otherwise, you start not to give a damn, and lose emotional involvement (at least I do). Of course if only spectacle, rather than story and setting and character development, are what interests you, then it doesn't matter. To each his own.

But there are certainly many more wtf moments in this season than previous ones.
 
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A great finale for this season. Few comments:
-What a scene to watch where The Hound says "hi" to his big brother. Hehe… Basicly every Hound scene is like that. What a great character. His character arc has definitely been a delightful one to follow.
-The scene where Cersei and Tyrion shared wine. Ouch I almost came to belive that Cersei actually had a small bit of concience and honour left, but the evil queen ofcourse thinks only for herself.
-When Jon Snow acted lawfull stupid (like Ned Stark) during the negotiations, but hey atleast dragon queen respects him now more than ever. Still I just bursted in laughter when they complained about his honesty…
-The long waited romance ofcourse which everyone was hoping to see.
-Bronn sharing few friendly words with Tyrion. I hope our favourite soldier of fortune switches sides soon. Serving Cersei just doesn't suit him at all.
-Littlefinger finally getting what he deserved… He was an awesome character, but a bit too clever for his own good. Sansa clearly is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but she is a good learner. Well played girls and so fitting that Arya got to execute him with his own dagger. And finally Bran got to do something usefull as a third eye raven. Web of lies littlefinger had weaved was no use against Starks anymore.
-Jaime just never stops surprising me. He has come a long way: I just couldn't belive that he was willing to abandon Cersei and ride alone to help Jon Snow against white Walkers. I imagine that he won't be returning King's Landing… I expect him to regain his honour in the next season in some way.
 
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Watching GOT now. Finished episode 5 tonight, 6 tomorrow and episode 7 Wednesday.

Episode 4 was awesome and yea, I screamed with delight at that certain scene.

My daughter wants to talk to me about episode 6, so that is going to be an interesting discussion.

And my trainer (at the gym) won't go beyond episode 4 until they start airing season 8. Episode 4 really affected him . . . .

and yep, it seems clear they are not working with original source material. The exposition seems to lack a certain depth to my ears.
 
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Here's an interesting article on how Game of Thrones has changed over the years:


So yeah: good and bad. I'll just think of the TV show as an interpretation of the original story, a bit like how there were two Full Metal Alchemist series, both of which were lots of fun -- even if the first one deviated a lot from the source.
 
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When we start trying to argue realism, in a fantasy setting based on magic and dragons and undead, then we've lost the meaning of the word fantasy. I remember many seasons back when Dany lifted a couple of chains from her dragon and the internet went crazy wondering how she got so strong.

That argument is flawed, because the issue is not realism. It's plausibility within the given context.

Verisimilitude is the official word for it :)

As for GoT - I've had to ignore a shit-ton of weak writing to be able to enjoy it.

Again, only the first season had what I would consider reasonably tight and plausible writing.

The characters are all over the place. I mean, Jamie goes from child-murderer to noble hero in no time.

Tyrion becomes a semi warrior champion despite having literally no skills in terms of fighting.

Don't even get me started on Sam the fatty ultra heroic geek.

The writing is really, really bad in several ways - and that comes directly from Martin.

Why people are pretending it's a "realistic" medieval fantasy story must be because they don't really understand how human beings work.

I guess it's "realistic" if killing people at random for kicks is realistic.

But it's great to look at. Great actors - and great spectacle. It has plenty of neat dialogue and interesting story twists and stuff.
 
Many people think a fantasy setting means 'no rules', it doesn't. It just means it's a world with different rules, but there are still rules. If you tell me 'This is a world with magic, undeads and dragons', those are the rules. As long as you follow those rules I'm ok. Have dragons torch a whole city fine... There is a magic spell that makes you go super-fast... fine. There is a race that can walk through stone... fine. But if you show me a raven that, with no other explanation, flies at 300 MPH then we have a problem.
 
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Many people think a fantasy setting means 'no rules', it doesn't. It just means it's a world with different rules, but there are still rules. If you tell me 'This is a world with magic, undeads and dragons', those are the rules. As long as you follow those rules I'm ok. Have dragons torch a whole city fine... There is a magic spell that makes you go super-fast... fine. There is a race that can walk through stone... fine. But if you show me a raven that, with no other explanation, flies at 300 MPH then we have a problem.



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The characters are all over the place. I mean, Jamie goes from child-murderer to noble hero in no time.

Don't even get me started on Sam the fatty ultra heroic geek.

Why people are pretending it's a "realistic" medieval fantasy story must be because they don't really understand how human beings work.
I don't see where exactly you saw Jamie becoming a noble hero, he's as rotten as always was, but at one time someone told him whining about lost hand is stupid - he chooses not to go against her. Nothing changed, it's just unlike many of other characters he always had a choice. Almost always that is. Sometimes his choice is okay with you, sometimes isn't. But he's still just another pos.

Where exactly is geekness in "Sam the fatty"? Cleaning turds is geek?
Where is his heroism? He's basically experimenting on people, he steals books and he cowardly leaves instead of staying and changing the decadent "company" from within.

People are watching this "fantasy" because not all boobs in it had a boobjob, some are not plastic. I don't know why are you watching it, but I assure you, I don't watch it thinking it's realistic - medieval setting yet everyone has perfect teeth is a prime example where realism in it fails.
 
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I don't see where exactly you saw Jamie becoming a noble hero, he's as rotten as always was, but at one time someone told him whining about lost hand is stupid - he chooses not to go against her. Nothing changed, it's just unlike many of other characters he always had a choice. Almost always that is. Sometimes his choice is okay with you, sometimes isn't. But he's still just another pos.

Where exactly is geekness in "Sam the fatty"? Cleaning turds is geek?
Where is his heroism? He's basically experimenting on people, he steals books and he cowardly leaves instead of staying and changing the decadent "company" from within.

People are watching this "fantasy" because not all boobs in it had a boobjob, some are not plastic. I don't know why are you watching it, but I assure you, I don't watch it thinking it's realistic - medieval setting yet everyone has perfect teeth is a prime example where realism in it fails.

I'm not sure which show you've been watching, but it sounds like you're more or less making it up :)
 
I don't know about other countries but in the United States everyone is talking about GoT. Sport programs, the news and talk shows. Whoever thought that a fantasy series would ever become a part of pop culture other then Tolkien? I know fantasy snobs may turn their nose to this, but I think it is fantastic, that others are enjoying fantasy.

I enjoy talking about fantasy subjects to people that are new to this. I have enjoyed fantasy since the first time I saw the Hobbit cartoon when I was 7. That morphed into Conan comics and books. Then came D&D and the Lord of the Rings.

I have said it before, if you are a fantasy fan and can't enjoy Game of Thrones, then you are living a joyless life :) Sit back and enjoy the ride and leave common sense for politics.
 
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Yes yes, the good old "people must enjoy what I enjoy or they're not human" ;)

But, it's enjoyable - definitely. I actually think this season has been one of the best, so far.

I'm also particularly delighted that they've kept the violence and torture porn to a minimum.

Of course, they had to go to over-disgust mode during that "stone curse" cure scene, but other than that - it's been surprisingly watchable.
 
Thrones is mildly entertaining. It never gets close to the excitement that the books generate, but compared to other tv drek, it is entertaining. Twin Peaks, however, is awesome television. I fear that, after this summer, we shall never see its like again.
 
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That argument is flawed, because the issue is not realism. It's plausibility within the given context.

Verisimilitude is the official word for it :)

As for GoT - I've had to ignore a shit-ton of weak writing to be able to enjoy it.

Again, only the first season had what I would consider reasonably tight and plausible writing.

The characters are all over the place. I mean, Jamie goes from child-murderer to noble hero in no time.

Tyrion becomes a semi warrior champion despite having literally no skills in terms of fighting.

Don't even get me started on Sam the fatty ultra heroic geek.

The writing is really, really bad in several ways - and that comes directly from Martin.

Why people are pretending it's a "realistic" medieval fantasy story must be because they don't really understand how human beings work.

I guess it's "realistic" if killing people at random for kicks is realistic.

But it's great to look at. Great actors - and great spectacle. It has plenty of neat dialogue and interesting story twists and stuff.

You kind of just wrote what I said, in a different way: You looked passed the flaws because of the good stuff.

Also:

Undead dragons are awesome
 
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