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March 11th, 2020, 12:59
I've completed this game over three times and still own my boxed version of it from back in the day. It's naturally all about the excellent turn based combat and fun party building; the story is certainly secondary and not that compelling, but hey, it's classic D&D adventuring and dungeon crawling which can really hit the spot when one is in the mood for it.

I'd have to agree regarding Hommlet that it could get tedious after awhile but I do enjoy the soundtrack overall for the pure ambience. I can still hear the harsh stabbing synth strikes from the Zuggtmoy theme in my head and will always remember the intensity of that battle too.

I never did get around to trying out the "Keep on the Borderlands" mod though. That's probably what I'd check out if I ever got to reinstalling the game again. I haven't been back to check in on the C08 forums for ages actually - are there any other interesting mods for the game that players recommend?
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March 11th, 2020, 17:23
DDO got The Keep On The Borderlands last year.
That's all I know about it.
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March 11th, 2020, 18:04
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Super off-topic derail there @joxer

If you want to start an extremely retarded discussion about how much story is enough story then please start a new thread
I’m confused, are you saying talking about TOEE story in this thread is off topic?
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I’m confused, are you saying talking about TOEE story in this thread is off topic?
Oh, if people were actually talking about the details of the story then no, one would be talking about the little things.

However, generic statements about overall impressions are completely off-topic, yes.

Further, with regards to ToEE, the whole concept of story is moot anyway since the game is an attempt to simply transfer the already existing D&D p&p module into a computer game. Ergo, the core fanbase for the game already knows the story anyway.

Even further, Dungeon Crawl games are not even regarded for their story and while one might expect that kind of discussion on a general forum, I dunno, like "hey guys, I've seen this game on sale, what's the story like?", on a specialist forum, from a forum user who dates from that time in RPG history when this game came out and when dungeon crawls were very common rpg fodder… OH COME ON. etc etc.

But, essentially, the issue of the joxer off-topic'ing here is that this thread is:

"ALL THE LITTLE THINGS"

To which replies such as "well, overall it feels like an alfa" and "overall the story is weaker than PS:T's" and all the other 'overall' general statements that I've no doubt some people automatically write whenever they see the title of this game are off-topic because they are not All The Little Things.

AKA: the OP already states that the game has a reputation and the point of the thread is to detail WHY it has that reputation. For people who haven't played it yet, and for people to agree or disagree with points raised - because it's one of those games where people are still patching it even to this day.

AKA 2: To attempt CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. To which "sorry, I didn't read all your crap, but my thoughts on this game is that it felt like an alfa and the story isn't as strong as it could be" is entirely pointless. Off-topic.

WHY did you feel it was like an alfa. WHY is the story not as good as it could have been? THAT's what this thread is about.

Hope that's cleared things up for you.

Have you played the game and do you have something to contribute about the game, or are you just sensing drama? Is your question even a genuine question or is it a tongue in cheek attempt at humour and further baiting? An opportunity to fuck ol' lacky up a bit cos he's a thorn in my console side? "Fuck did I read all that, but boy, what an opportunity to play semantics and wind the cunt up a bit?
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March 12th, 2020, 11:40
You're doing it wrong.

You need the unofficial patch. Circle of Eight, or something? It probably fixes all your issues. Maybe even brightness. Which might mean you no longer have a post? Which might be why you went with the buggy version worth complaining about? I think it even has a way to skip through the starting town. 12 hours in Homlet is enough to put anyone off.
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March 12th, 2020, 11:55
Someone at Troika Studio must have seduce LackB's wife or something…
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March 12th, 2020, 12:03
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You need the unofficial patch. Circle of Eight, or something? It probably fixes all your issues.
Yes, Circle Of Eight is that group whic puts out mods and "unofficial patches". GULP came from there as well.

They even made a mod called "Humble NPCs" or so, minimizing the habit of NPC party members to take the very best of loot for themselves.
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March 12th, 2020, 14:04
The use of the word "Probably" is a significant clue as to why you shouldn't be responding to that poster Alrik…
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March 12th, 2020, 15:25
Originally Posted by lackblogger View Post
The use of the word "Probably" is a significant clue as to why you shouldn't be responding to that poster Alrik…
Oh, come, now! Do you have to be so cryptic? We're not all as smart as you. Spell it out for us?

I mean, I thought you complaining about the cosmetic gloves being cosmetic was a sign I shouldn't reply to you but I did anyway. I think you owe me one?

If you're offended because I assumed you'd know where to get the mod, but you do not and are ashamed of your ineptitude with Google search, here's the link.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/circle-of-eight-modpack

Come back later and post all the little things this patch improves. That would be a much better read than you complaining about the optional sidequests in Homlet for 10 pages.
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March 12th, 2020, 17:40
Originally Posted by SirJames View Post
better read than
Implying you actually ever read anything anyone else ever writes?



Oh… my sides…

But since you are forcing yourself into a thread you have no interest in reading and no interest in contributing to and no interest in understanding, and are just enjoying the freedom to insult ad-nauseum, perhaps you can answer me this:

Why are you in this thread?
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March 12th, 2020, 20:15
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Why are you in this thread?
I'm here for the Temple of Elemental Evil discussion. Why are you here?

I was contributing a good suggestion to enhance your experience. It's not mods; it's literally full of bug fixes. I would say the same thing to anyone at all who started playing unpatched ToEE and made a post about how much it sucks. Personally, I think it's a very nice game. I believe you have a false impression of the game because you're on an unpatched version.

To drive the point home, have a look at the patch notes:
Spoiler – massive patch notes
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March 12th, 2020, 20:20
@SirJames, please put those patch notes in spoiler tags, it's pain in the behind to scroll down.
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March 12th, 2020, 20:22
So you missed this paragraph in the OP did you? Oh, of course you did, you haven't read it yet…

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So this year's run through is kind-of like playing a new game. This time I'm going to try and be meticulous. But I'm still going to avoid the community mods and just go with the version GoG is selling, at least for the first run.
And I haven't mentioned any bugs. A couple of things that might be but probably aren't.

So why are you posting all that stuff rather than simply addressing the few points made with specific refence to the fix that you use to counter any specifically mentioned issue?
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March 12th, 2020, 20:36
Originally Posted by Ivanwah View Post
@SirJames, please put those patch notes in spoiler tags, it's pain in the behind to scroll down.
Only because they're so huge!
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So you missed this paragraph in the OP did you?
I read that. You're going to play slowly and pay attention to all the little things.

You're going to avoid mods. Bug fixes are not mods. Mods change the game, more often than not I consider them akin to cheats, bug fixes just made the game work as intended. There's no point paying meticulous attention to text descriptions that are incorrect, right? When it says a spell does one thing but does another and all your attention yields is a bug report which is already fixed in the unoffical patch.

So, if you're planning to spend a lot of time taking it slow I'd suggest patching it up. Like, I don't know how much spare time you have but it's probably only getting one meticulous playthrough and that should be with the version everyone agrees is the best.

Have you ever played with the CO8 modpack before?
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March 12th, 2020, 20:45
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You're going to avoid mods. Bug fixes are not mods. Mods change the game, more often than not I consider them akin to cheats, bug fixes just made the game work as intended. There's no point paying meticulous attention to text descriptions that are incorrect, right? When it says a spell does one thing but does another and all your attention yields is a bug report which is already fixed in the unoffical patch.
None of these issues are mentioned in the OP.

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So, if you're planning to spend a lot of time taking it slow I'd suggest patching it up. Like, I don't know how much spare time you have but it's probably only getting one meticulous playthrough and that should be with the version everyone agrees is the best.
As I said in the OP, I've already got to the end-boss before and I didn't use any mods. So as far as I'm aware at this point I have no need to change anything. From your extensive replies you have yet to make me aware of how my game would have been radically different had I done whatever it is you do prior to playing.

You assuming I'm only going to go through the game once is the reason you're shutting the thread down is it? Even though my wording was "at least for the first run"? Soooooo…. you have no idea at all what this thread is about do you?
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March 12th, 2020, 20:57
I guess I missed the hypothesis?

I assume you haven't played with CO8 unofficial patch before or you'd have installed already. (BTW, I think you get to select what to install so you can go bugfixes only and not get the extra content. None of the content will make the game easier, either. Quality of life easier, maybe, but not cheating easier.)

I think it even replaces the game engine and all the rendering and stuff is handled differently so it literally will help with the brightness issue I saw while I was reading the post I've contributed to with an extremely good suggestion.
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March 12th, 2020, 21:02
Awesome, well thank you for commenting on the brightness issue. Maybe do it in the one post next time?
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March 12th, 2020, 21:08
No worries, mate!

I'm not just in it to improve your experience; I also want this thread to be more appealing to fans of ToEE.

Not that it isn't already extremely appealing. I personally can't keep away.

But you keep avoiding the question. Have you seriously never played the CO8 patched version?
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March 12th, 2020, 21:10
The next time you start a thread, Lackblogger, maybe provide a list of all the things that are and are not allowed as comments. Save us all the headache. Or we can just ignore the thread and let you talk to yourself.
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March 12th, 2020, 21:10
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But you keep avoiding the question. Have you seriously never played the CO8 patched version?
Oh for God's sake…

It… says… in… the… OP…

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This game came out in 2003, but I didn't give it a play until 2011, though I didn't use any community mods, just the out-the-box version.

I didn't particularly enjoy it, though I did have enough interest to stick around until the end-boss battle, such is the unique appeal of D&D. I never completed that final battle and I think the reason for that was that I'd missed 50% of the temple and somehow just stumbled on the end-boss to early. Whatever, it felt like an end and I haven't played it since.
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