The Witcher 2 only support 16:9 resolutions

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
My marriage had 17 years and it broke. Now that's the time to look for a new one.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe your wife left you because she wanted a widescreen monitor?

I think the issue is mainly that while almost every other games provide support for all common formats, TW2 does not. My monitor is about 4 years old, is a 1600x1200 4:3 true 24-bit (8 bits per channel, not the fake pseudo-colour most mainstream LCD panels used at the time) . It cost a lot, and I sought it out because I like high quality displays and I could reasonably expect high-quality graphics @60 Hz with that res (but not one notch up). I has served perfectly for every game I have played over that period. Why on earth should I change it for one game, or be considered an aberration if I don't? The impression I'm getting from some comments here (and elsewhere) is that it's somehow 'my fault' for having a monitor that's 4 years old. If you look at various stats floating around - a lot of people still seem use 5:4 or 4:3 displays. Clearly most devs accept this and provide that support as part of their design. I'm still assuming this will be fixed quickly - which is why I still plan to buy the game. But I really do think its a PR blunder and its really something they should have fixed before finalizing their code.

Originally Posted by TheGuyInUnder
I just canceled my preorder because of this and regged here to ask that IF HD -resolutions are "most haves", why everyother wants (at least in US..) iPhone/iPad though they have traditional resolution ?

When my good "old" 19" L1952TQ wears out, I just hope that they have begun to make 4:3 or 5:4 displays again. Maybe kids born after 90´s can see wider and alas wants widescreens ?

Smartphones do not have traditional resolutions. The iPhone 4 for example has a qHD resolution with 940*540 pixels.


And to the question why to use a widescreen monitor: Way better for anything (e.g. having two spreadsheets next to each other, or a web page and a word document or a movie editor and the explorer, etc. Oh, and movies, Youtube, tv shows.

I do understand that people do not wish/are not able to spend money on every thing they want. But if someone would ask me what to buy as a PC upgrade (given a reasonably new PC) i'd actually argue for a widescreen monitor if they don't have one. I for one would never go back and I'm shocked every time I have to work with a 4:3 monitor.

Oh, next on that upgrade list would be a SSD. Seriously, if you have any money to spend on PC upgrades - buy a SSD. Best thing since USB.

Originally Posted by DoctorNarrative
By that reasoning The Witcher 2 is also broken because it doesn't run on a Voodoo2.

There's a reasonable line. I'm sure that you agree, that your example is simply not reasonable. I doubt that we still have 23% people, playing modern games, with a Voodoo or a Cirrus logic 5424 Vesa Local Bus.

Originally Posted by JDR13
Did it ever occur to you that maybe your wife left you because she wanted a widescreen monitor?

Who said that it was she who left?

Originally Posted by booboo
I think the issue is mainly that while almost every other games provide support for all common formats, TW2 does not. My monitor is about 4 years old, is a 1600x1200 4:3 true 24-bit (8 bits per channel, not the fake pseudo-colour most mainstream LCD panels used at the time) . It cost a lot, and I sought it out because I like high quality displays and I could reasonably expect high-quality graphics @60 Hz with that res (but not one notch up). I has served perfectly for every game I have played over that period. Why on earth should I change it for one game, or be considered an aberration if I don't? The impression I'm getting from some comments here (and elsewhere) is that it's somehow 'my fault' for having a monitor that's 4 years old. If you look at various stats floating around - a lot of people still seem use 5:4 or 4:3 displays. Clearly most devs accept this and provide that support as part of their design. I'm still assuming this will be fixed quickly - which is why I still plan to buy the game. But I really do think its a PR blunder and its really something they should have fixed before finalizing their code.

I would more argue buying a 4:3 monitor 4 years ago was the mistake, rather than sticking with it now. Though certainly 4 years is a decent amount of time to get from an LCD monitor anyway.

In any event no one here is telling you that you have to upgrade, and indeed I do think it's wrong for The Witcher 2 to not have all aspect ratios at launch, that sucks. I'm just saying my God man, it's 2011 and you really need a widescreen monitor, Witcher 2 aside. Games have been designed for widescreen for 5+ years now, it's pretty important.

Originally Posted by DoctorNarrative
I would more argue buying a 4:3 monitor 4 years ago was the mistake, rather than sticking with it now. Though certainly 4 years is a decent amount of time to get from an LCD monitor anyway.

In any event no one here is telling you that you have to upgrade, and indeed I do think it's wrong for The Witcher 2 to not have all aspect ratios at launch, that sucks. I'm just saying my God man, it's 2011 and you really need a widescreen monitor, Witcher 2 aside. Games have been designed for widescreen for 5+ years now, it's pretty important.

Well, when I bought my 4:3 the corresponding (good quality, high-res) 16:9 was more than I could afford - remember, I live in a country where things are generally very expensive compared to US/Europe/Asia - often double, in real terms. I have chosen instead to spend most of my money upgrading gfx/mobo etc. I do plan to buy an LED monitor in the next year - and yes, I will get a wide-screen high-res display then. But that's of no help at this point, for this game.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
Not true. A game is not a movie. Well nowadays it seems that the games are more interactive movies than being just what they should be.

Actually that is true cable, satellite and movies have used black bars for years. If you don't want them in your game is another story, but that doesn't make the statement false.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
I don't like that huge bars, they distract me. I can't play the game.

I can understand that it's not optimal but shouldn't be a deal breaker imo. To each their own.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
It's unreasonable. It doesn't matter the years of usage. Only if it's working well or not. My car has 10 years, and it's working well. My apartment has 30 years. One of my joystick has 10 years. My marriage had 17 years and it broke. Now that's the time to look for a new one.
The monitor has a function, and in that regard it's performing well. It seems not with Witcher 2. If that's the case bye bye Witcher 2, for me.

I guess that why they haven't found a new renewable fuel source, they are waiting for your car to break. I have a black and white tv in the basement maybe they should release everything in b&w and color until it breaks.

seriously, you say the voodoo card reference is unreasonable but you bring cars, houses and marriage as examples. Those all cost thousands (including marriage).
For 200-400 dollars you can get a good wide screen.

If we went by your standards we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire. Simply because it works why create anything better. That argument makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
Simply not true. Blame the consoles and the cross platform games.

I should have said it's one of the reasons obviously it's not the only reason. Take crysis for example that game got savaged because it tried to push tech further. It was a pc exclusive made for high-end pc's. Now crysis 2 is middle of the pack tech wise and developed for consoles first. If you don't think the whining contributed to that your kidding yourself.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
Not true. The monitor shouldn't be placed side by side in that equation.

Again everything I said there is true if you decide not to up grade your monitor because it's not broken then thats your choice. When more and more games stop offering full 4:3 support then you will play with bars or not at all I guess.

For your sake I hope your monitor doesn't last another ten years or you may not be gaming at all.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
That sounds…. well I won't say it.

Um…… Thanks I guess??

So your answer to my question is when your stuff breaks. well please post when it does so I can get the word out that we can start making new stuff again. Im joking kinda

Originally Posted by booboo
Well, when I bought my 4:3 the corresponding (good quality, high-res) 16:9 was more than I could afford - remember, I live in a country where things are generally very expensive compared to US/Europe/Asia - often double, in real terms. I have chosen instead to spend most of my money upgrading gfx/mobo etc. I do plan to buy an LED monitor in the next year - and yes, I will get a wide-screen high-res display then. But that's of no help at this point, for this game.

I gotcha.

In any event they have said they will patch it, so you should be fine if you wait to play it until that patch comes out (which judging by FEAR 2 could be very quickly).

Originally Posted by sakichop
Actually that is true cable, satellite and movies have used black bars for years. If you don't want them in your game is another story, but that doesn't make the statement false.

Since when movies are related to games? Why bring this? Is TW2 a cinematic experience or a game? I'm sorry if you can't understand that, but that's just an argument that shouldn't be brought here. We're talking about games. You know the difference between a movie and a game, right?

Originally Posted by sakichop
If we went by your standards we would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire. Simply because it works why create anything better. That argument makes no sense.

Oh yes, because leaping from a 5:4 screen to wide screen is a giant leap for men.
And if we speak in terms of gameplay… well, that will just change dramatically the quality of the gameplay. It's a whole new dimension, isn't it?

Originally Posted by sakichop
I should have said it's one of the reasons

It's the only reason.

You know one thing. I bet that most of the games will support other screen ratios besides the console and cinematic 16:9 ratio.
If several games (that I'd like to play), demand such idiotic thing, then I'll change. But I bet that by then my monitor will be already broken.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
Since when movies are related to games? Why bring this? Is TW2 a cinematic experience or a game? I'm sorry if you can't understand that, but that's just an argument that shouldn't be brought here. We're talking about games. You know the difference between a movie and a game, right?

Yes games are not movies but are becoming closer all the time.

The reason I bring this up is when they first started using the bars on tvs many people me included couldn't stand them now yrs later I don't even notice I would suspect it would be the same with games.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
Oh yes, because leaping from a 5:4 screen to wide screen is a giant leap for men.
And if we speak in terms of gameplay… well, that will just change dramatically the quality of the gameplay. It's a whole new dimension, isn't it?

You seem to be the one who thinks it will be a giant leap I've already made the leap and am perfectly happy to own both a 16:9 and 4:3 display.

No it wouldn't dramatically change gameplay. but to use your own argument against you having bars at the top and bottom of the screen will not affect gameplay either.

If you really want to speak in terms of gameplay and that's what really matters to you, then you wouldn't pass up the chance to play what should be a great rpg. Just because of a graphical issue.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
It's the only reason.

You know one thing. I bet that most of the games will support other screen ratios besides the console and cinematic 16:9 ratio.
If several games (that I'd like to play), demand such idiotic thing, then I'll change. But I bet that by then my monitor will be already broken.

I'm not sure if your agreeing with me here or not.

Not sure why widescreen would be an idiotic thing. Why are you so opposed to widescreen I feel it enhances my games. It's not some holy grail or anything but it's nice. You seem to be a widescreenaphobe. (i know its not a word)

Anyway for your sake I hope they fix the aspect ratio's so you can enjoy the game it really looks like it will be stellar. Have you seen the new video interview?Permanent death on the hardest difficulty . Looks like it will have some nice old school traits. (if you like that sort of thing) I for one can't wait.

But I think I've already made that clear.

I really don't know what is your concept of a great RPG, but I doubt, that in the end, TW2 will even come closer the that.
Sorry to have to say this, but you are filled with TW2 hype fed by cd projekt. You're behaving like a fanboy. And I'm just fade up with fanboyism.
I will not continue debating this with you sakichop. This is not even a debate. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Wish you well.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
I really don't know what is your concept of a great RPG, but I doubt, that in the end, TW2 will even come closer the that.
Sorry to have to say this, but you are filled with TW2 hype fed by cd projekt. You're behaving like a fanboy. And I'm just fade up with fanboyism.
I will not continue debating this with you sakichop. This is not even a debate. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
Wish you well.

Well this is the first game I've ever been called a fanboy of any game. I really have been quite critical of many games in the past maybe too much so.

Too finally show support for a game I really think will be good. ( a pc exclusive no less)and I get tagged with that. whatever.

I think it's smart for you to drop the debate though as you really had no solid points to stand on and dodged much of what i wrote. I though we were just exchanging ideas and thoughts. I didn't realize we were arguing so I doubt I was in it for the sake of argument.

if it really is an issue come game time they'll fix it. otherwise its just another thing for people to rant and waste their time and energy on…kind of like most so-called televesion news. seriously with the amount of shit that comes out of peoples mouths you'd think their mouths and anuses were switched at birth.

Originally Posted by sakichop
I think it's smart for you to drop the debate though as you really had no solid points to stand on and dodged much of what i wrote.

lol lol lol.

Your solid points:

The reason I bring this up is when they first started using the bars on tvs many people me included couldn't stand them now yrs later I don't even notice I would suspect it would be the same with games.

So this a solid point. I have already commented that this is not a movie or a tv show. It's different. It's a game.

No it wouldn't dramatically change gameplay. but to use your own argument against you having bars at the top and bottom of the screen will not affect gameplay either.

Yes it affects, because it distracts me.

If you really want to speak in terms of gameplay and that's what really matters to you, then you wouldn't pass up the chance to play what should be a great rpg. Just because of a graphical issue.

It's not yet a great RPG. It's not a graphical issue. The problem with the borders is that distracts me. How many times do I have to say that.

Your so called solid points are solid rubbish. And yes you're acting like a hyped fanboy.

Originally Posted by curious
if it really is an issue come game time they'll fix it.

It's an issue for people with 4:3 screens and less ain issue for 16:10 screens, but still an issue. The problem is it shouldn't be an issue at all.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
lol lol lol.

Your solid points:

So this a solid point. I have already commented that this is not a movie or a tv show. It's different. It's a game.


Yes it affects, because it distracts me.

It's not yet a great RPG. It's not a graphical issue. The problem with the borders is that distracts me. How many times do I have to say that.

Your so called solid points are solid rubbish. And yes you're acting like a hyped fanboy.



It's an issue for people with 4:3 screens and less ain issue for 16:10 screens, but still an issue. The problem is it shouldn't be an issue at all.

Yes still no solid points there but I am glad you didn't rehash your car, apartment, marriage comparison.

I find it funny that I basically told you that I hope you can enjoy the game and you come back with it won't come close to being a good rpg and i'm a fanboy. Real nice.

Anyway I thought you were done. I will apologize for my positivity and return you to your regularly scheduled pessimism and negativity.

Originally Posted by Von Paulus
I really don't know what is your concept of a great RPG, but I doubt, that in the end, TW2 will even come closer the that.

And why is that? Most people consider The Witcher to be a great RPG, and I certainly agree with that.

Of course that doesn't mean TW2 is going to be great, but CD Projekt has already proven they have the ability to pull it off.

Originally Posted by JDR13
And why is that? Most people consider The Witcher to be a great RPG, and I certainly agree with that.

Of course that doesn't mean TW2 is going to be great, but CD Projekt has already proven they have the ability to pull it off.

Let us say, that I don't think that The Witcher is a real RPG. I liked it, and do think it's a great game, but not for the RPG part. I already saw this debated in other forums, and most of the times ends up in little flame wars. I don't which this. That's my personal opinion. I wouldn't have problem in debating this with some people in this forum, like you, DoctorNarrative, Dasale, D'Artagnan, Alrik ajust to mention a few. But unfortunately it seems that this is polemic.

It's all subjective, so why debate it?

Originally Posted by Thrasher
It's all subjective, so why debate it?

Oh no you don't I saw that thread.

"polemic" I hope up include yourself in that statement.

I extended you an olive branch. Telling you I hope they fix the aspect ratio for you so you can enjoy the game also. Thus we would both enjoy the game (common ground) despite our aspect ratio preference.

You responded with the game won't be that great anyway and I'm a fanboy.

I'm pretty new to posting on forums I usually just read but if I've violated some unwritten code of forum debate could someone please explain it to me?

I have no problems conceding a point if i'm wrong but I don't believe there is a right or wrong here that to me is what makes the debate fun.


Another thing what exactly is a fanboy. To me its someone that likes a game, series or certain dev irregardless of the quality they produce. Correct me if i'm wrong.

If the game comes out and it's stinks i'll say it stinks. It just seems like anytime someone likes a game anyone with an opposing view yells fanboy.

The majority of you here have much more experience posting than I do so if I'm missing some forum etiquette please tell me what that is.