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December 14th, 2011, 23:29
Originally Posted by DArtagnan View Post
That's stupid Thrasher. You're talking about the concept of cliché. By changing it to be about lasting value - you're saying that everything in the world is cliché because it will eventually be.

Essentially, you're saying that everything that has become cliché has lost its value, meaning Alien is hardly anymore "impressive" than Aliens.

That's weak
So would you say Beethoven is cliche? Or Picasso? Just because someone copied it? I wouldn't. Consider I would also say that those artists contributed something unique that was never entirely copied. Can't say the same for the space marines in Aliens.

Now that you are grounded (are you ready to bake a pie?), I still think Alien offered something for me never surpassed or well copied since. It provoked and still provokes unique unpleasant feelings.
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December 15th, 2011, 00:05
Dune. I think if Herbert's universe would get the Game of Thrones treatment, or somehow got a good series out of it with new material (impossible, I know), it could be greatness…

Twin Peaks went bad in the second half of the second season, but it still stands among the best television of all time. What if the quality and mystery of the first 1 1/2 season would continue into 4 more seasons…

I just made use of the 7 days free to get back into World of Warcraft. Their lore is crap, but not for the first time I wondered what would happen if Blizzard's 3D cinematic group went and did a full-length animated movie with an actual good story…

Let me think… I listened to Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana on audiobook a while back. His world and characters were very fleshed out and individual. His work or style could possibly be the basis of some real magic.

Many more…
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December 15th, 2011, 10:32
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
So would you say Beethoven is cliche? Or Picasso? Just because someone copied it? I wouldn't. Consider I would also say that those artists contributed something unique that was never entirely copied. Can't say the same for the space marines in Aliens.

Now that you are grounded (are you ready to bake a pie?), I still think Alien offered something for me never surpassed or well copied since. It provoked and still provokes unique unpleasant feelings.
Never "entirely" copied. Tell me, when has Aliens been entirely copied into another movie? Because that's one movie I'd love to see

Also, if you don't think Alien has been cloned on a similar level…. An adult would acknowledge that he probably saw Aliens at the wrong time

Still, despite your obvious inability to own up to things, I think you deserve a smallish piece of the pie. But no vanilla ice cream for you!

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December 15th, 2011, 22:41
Originally Posted by DArtagnan View Post
Never "entirely" copied. Tell me, when has Aliens been entirely copied into another movie? Because that's one movie I'd love to see

Also, if you don't think Alien has been cloned on a similar level…. An adult would acknowledge that he probably saw Aliens at the wrong time

Still, despite your obvious inability to own up to things, I think you deserve a smallish piece of the pie. But no vanilla ice cream for you!
Where did I say Aliens was "entirely copied"? I said the space marine characters of Aliens are nothing unique. Aliens was more about action, Alien was more about horror and suspense.

And no, I don't think the combined sense of claustrophobia and a hidden stalking presence has been done any better than Alien. If you think otherwise, please give me an example.

Time to own up, and bake that pie, but as JDR said, hard to imagine.
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December 16th, 2011, 07:26
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No doubt.

Dragonlance could be made into a great trilogy. They made an animated one of the first book, but it was awful. And by awful I mean I wanted to cry by the end.
You made it that far? You are made of sterner stuff than I'd imagine. I pulled it out of the dvd player within 5 minutes. Not even through the first fight scene.

I agree though, Dragonlance Chronicles would be one awesome movie if treated like LotR was. Peter Jackson should direct it. Not sure who could pull off any of the cast, but then I don't know who most actors are anyway.

I'd also love a live action serious take on Terry Pratchett's "Soul Music". Though most of his Discworld novels would work fine as well, I absolutely LOVE Soul Music. Hogfather, The Color of Magic, and Going Postal are already on DVD and in my collection. For that matter, so is Soul Music and Wyrd Sisters as animated movies. But they aren't on the level of quality as the live action films.

I don't think it has potential financially, but I'd like to see a serious attempt at Dr Strange. There's been a couple of attempts, including an immensely boring live action TV pilot and the decent but needs improvement animated movie, but again the character needs a truly serious take on him.

TV-wise I want a return of a serious Batman cartoon. Bring TAS back! TAS without any worries that kids are watching (ha!) and able to go full bore would be awesome.

Game-wise, I feel that Ghostbusters can make for a great game. I loved the one that came out a few years ago. Problem was it was rushed, and lacked MP for the PC version, and had Atari as a publisher. A couple of months to QA would have done wonders. A better publisher would have done more. But the atmosphere was spot on, the story was entertaining, and the gameplay, while it got repetitive towards the end, was solid. A new one would need a drive-Ecto mode, and instead of everything getting tacked onto the proton packs, the ability to choose your gear at mission start. Also a bit more and more varied gear than "rail-gun like thing, shotgun like thing" in addition to proton and slime blower.

I'd also like to see another, actually serious, attempt at making a Bard's Tale game. Not a top-down shooter with light RPG elements and a bad attempt at mocking the genre, but an honest-to-God CRPG. Don't get my wrong, the 'new' BT wasn't bad. But it was a bit repetitive after about 15 minutes, it was dull, and it wasn't much of an RPG.
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December 16th, 2011, 11:31
Originally Posted by Thrasher View Post
Where did I say Aliens was "entirely copied"? I said the space marine characters of Aliens are nothing unique. Aliens was more about action, Alien was more about horror and suspense.

And no, I don't think the combined sense of claustrophobia and a hidden stalking presence has been done any better than Alien. If you think otherwise, please give me an example.

Time to own up, and bake that pie, but as JDR said, hard to imagine.
But has the action and "marines" thing been done better than Aliens? If so, in what movie?

What is it about me that makes it hard to imagine me pie-baking?

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December 16th, 2011, 15:11
I agree that Ghostbusters has potential.
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December 16th, 2011, 16:58
New Prometheus poster:



Stars Noomi Rapace, Michael F[. ]assbender, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Sean Harris, Kate Dickie, Rafe Spall, Logan Marshall-Green, Guy Pearce, and Patrick Wilson. It will hit theaters on June 8, 2012. Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Charlize Theron, Idris Elba, Sean Harris, Kate Dickie, Rafe Spall, Logan Marshall-Green, Guy Pearce, and Patrick Wilson.
Ridley Scott, director of “Alien” and “Blade Runner,” returns to the genre he helped define. With PROMETHEUS, he creates a groundbreaking mythology, in which a team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a thrilling journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There, they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race. [official synopsis, via /film]
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December 22nd, 2011, 21:47
Ladies and gentlemen, I present..




P R O M E T H E U S

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December 22nd, 2011, 22:05
Ok Fox/Ridley - Tell me again that's not an Alien film

Looks pretty good!

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December 22nd, 2011, 23:04
Nice visuals!
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December 23rd, 2011, 11:13
It's going to be crap and you know it, and you will go and see it anyway and then you will either rave because it was crap or you will try to rationalize it (at least it wasn't as bad as the previous one - at least the effects were somewhat impressive - at least it reminded you of the good old days - at least it was more fun than doing laundry etc. etc.). When it comes to the Alien films everyone seems to agree that the best were the first two, doesn't anyone suspect that them being both the first and the best might be more than just coincidence?

I only wished people would be as lenient and willing to give a chance to the works of less celebrated people that try to offer an experience that will have some relevance to your life as they are with the works created by committees according to what people are most likely to open their wallets for and executed by puppets following the will of their Hollywood pimps to the letter. Take some risk and watch something good.
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December 23rd, 2011, 11:32
Are you high, Holeraw?

Are you really judging everyone here based on that fantasy scenario of what movies we watch and what we believe?

It's not a universal truth that the first movies are the best - and there exceptions, even if they're rare. The Thing was better than The Thing from Another World. The latest Rocky movie is the best of the bunch - if you ask me. Aliens was better than Alien as well.

Prometheus has potential and that's all. I'll watch it because it has potential and for no other reason.

We can agree that the Hollywood system and the way we pay for things we haven't actually seen - is horrible. Which is why I rarely go to the movies anymore.

I don't think you want to claim that you care more about the art than I do, however.

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December 23rd, 2011, 12:16
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When it comes to the Alien films everyone seems to agree that the best were the first two, doesn't anyone suspect that them being both the first and the best might be more than just coincidence?
What exactly does that have to do with Prometheus? Are you even aware that only the first Alien film was directed by Ridley Scott?

Scott has only directed two sci-fi movies in his career, Alien and Blade Runner, and they were both great. That alone is reason enough for me to be excited about Prometheus.
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December 23rd, 2011, 12:17
1. WOT ( it would require one hell of a budget, and a long series of movies )
2. WOT ( it would require one hell of a budget, and a long series of movies )
3. WOT ( it would require one hell of a budget, and a long series of movies )

I guess it is pretty clear what I want ?
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December 23rd, 2011, 17:16
Originally Posted by GothicGothicness View Post
1. WOT ( it would require one hell of a budget, and a long series of movies )
2. WOT ( it would require one hell of a budget, and a long series of movies )
3. WOT ( it would require one hell of a budget, and a long series of movies )

I guess it is pretty clear what I want ?
You want another live action Super Mario Brothers right? Right?
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December 23rd, 2011, 17:31
Darn it how did you know!?!?!? well, if they did produce a WOT movie series with the same quality… I would prefer if they didn't produce anything……..
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December 23rd, 2011, 17:40
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present..




P R O M E T H E U S

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Fine by me, as long as they avoid the Zimmer soundtrack. We already got Batman and Inception.
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December 23rd, 2011, 17:45
Originally Posted by holeraw View Post
It's going to be crap and you know it, and you will go and see it anyway and then you will either rave because it was crap or you will try to rationalize it (at least it wasn't as bad as the previous one - at least the effects were somewhat impressive - at least it reminded you of the good old days - at least it was more fun than doing laundry etc. etc.). When it comes to the Alien films everyone seems to agree that the best were the first two, doesn't anyone suspect that them being both the first and the best might be more than just coincidence?
Most of the James Bonds movies were crap, but Casino Royal kicked serious ass.

I only wished people would be as lenient and willing to give a chance to the works of less celebrated people that try to offer an experience that will have some relevance to your life as they are with the works created by committees according to what people are most likely to open their wallets for and executed by puppets following the will of their Hollywood pimps to the letter. Take some risk and watch something good.
So once some one has 'made it', we should stop watching their new films?

Most of the works of 'less celebrated people' are crap. That is why they are less celebrated. Some is good, no doubt, but you have to wade through a lot of crap to get to it. As part of my photojournalism degree, I took a lot of film classes (was looking to get into the director of photography career at the time), so I watched a TON of those types of films. Some were awesome. Most were made by no talented hacks that thought they were going to be the next Spielberg.
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December 23rd, 2011, 23:23
Originally Posted by holeraw View Post
It's going to be crap and you know it, and you will go and see it anyway and then you will either rave because it was crap or you will try to rationalize it (at least it wasn't as bad as the previous one - at least the effects were somewhat impressive - at least it reminded you of the good old days - at least it was more fun than doing laundry etc. etc.). When it comes to the Alien films everyone seems to agree that the best were the first two, doesn't anyone suspect that them being both the first and the best might be more than just coincidence?

I only wished people would be as lenient and willing to give a chance to the works of less celebrated people that try to offer an experience that will have some relevance to your life as they are with the works created by committees according to what people are most likely to open their wallets for and executed by puppets following the will of their Hollywood pimps to the letter. Take some risk and watch something good.
I don't agree. I thought Shrek 2 was a vast improvement on Shrek and even Shrek 4 beat Shrek. The only bad one was Shrek 3 in my opinion.

Just one example that popped to my mind, but I think there could be others too.

Also, I do take risks and watch other things. I've watched a Japanese movie called 13 Assassins, which I thought to be a bit strange but good.

I've watched Mulan the movie (not the Disney film) last week too in Chinese. So that's not very Hollywood either…

You shouldn't assume people are all rigid Hollywood followers that just follow the herd. Some people enjoy sequels, others don't. Some people have cult-like behavior to originals of a series which is even less rational than watching its sequels.
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