Not like Skyrim

Originally Posted by DArtagnan
Can't games be different without one being better than the other?

I suppose, but even if you think they are both great games I think it would be rare for someone to find them exactly equal.

I think the games have a lot of differences. To like two things with so many differences the exact same amount I would find unlikely. If you break both games down I think pretty much everyone would find one better than the other even if by a minuscule amount.

Originally Posted by joxer
Skyrim is openworld bug-o-rama sandbox with (almost) no story that evolves around endless trashmob respawns although it's The Elder Scrolls 5.

No it's not.

pibbur who has spent hundreds of hours with Skyrim and experienced very few significant bugs.

Originally Posted by DArtagnan
Can't games be different without one being better than the other?

Agreed.

pibbur who in his minds hasn't tried comparing the games and doesn't know if he ought to

Originally Posted by pibbur who
No it's not.

pibbur who has spent hundreds of hours with Skyrim and experienced very few significant bugs.

Bugs don't have to be significant - they're bugs nevertheless and the game is bug-o-rama. This is not a significant one, but I don't believe you never saw it in the game anywhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ebvFhQqwQ

So yes, it is.

To call it a bug-o-rama they should in my opinion be significant.

I saw that bug, yes and got rid of it easily. But that's just one.

We have very different experience with the game, you and I.

pibbur who has experienced very few bugs in Skyrim, also if he includes minor ones.

Does anyone really listen to Joxer when it comes to Skyrim? It's an American game that has outsold all European crpgs combined. It's just jealousy.

In W3, you can skip all of Velen and Novigrad and just go to Skellige to complete the main quest. Sounds like a HUMONGOUS bug.

Bah. It could be a game from Azerbeijan and could outsell all horse armor DLC that ever existed for all I care.
It'd still be a bunch of bugs called a game never patched properly by it developer.
And you of all are aware that the same pathetic developer removed the radial "move away" option from doorblocking Lydia that existed in FO3 and FO:NV. Basically and deliberately, they made Lydia bugged and the doorblock disaster solvable only by fusrodah her. If I'm to be jealous on something, that's Skyrim outselling FO3/FO:NV (if it did).

@nut: Obviously I do.

But to be honest, I'm for reasons I won't go into in a bad mood today, reacted to the joxer's in my eyes very categorical claims, and replied in a equally categorical way. Normally I wouldn't do that.

@joxer I don't for a minute doubt your experiences with the game. They are just not mine.

pibbur who partially regrets his posts, partially not.

You have to remember also that joxer refused to use any of the community made patches for skyrim. Stating that the developer should fix the bugs despite the fact that he often posts non developer made work arounds for bugs in other games and also admitted to using community patches in some other games.

So I think in secret he really enjoyed the bugs and skyrim.

LOL
I used only SkyUI mod.
Community bugfixes were out of the question - the game has no cult classic material inside like Gothic3 or Bloodlines, it's a bestseller mainstream title and as such earned enough to be polished by it's publisher/developer, not by fans.
If by a chance Bethesda said back then "we're using the cash you gave us instead of patches but to develop FO4 and TES6", probably I wouldn't rant over it for so long. But they used that cash to develop a walking simulator online.

Didn't you see Fallout IV trailer?
They DID use the money from Skyrim on it, especially on improving dog fur and character animations. Good ol' Gamebryo isback once again…we'll probably have our own Apocalypse before Bethesda gives up on it.

Yes I saw the trailer and count me excited.
Already posted why on several occasions - next year will be a clash of Sci Fi RPG titans where it can't be harder than it is to predict who gets most GOTY awards:
- FO4
- DX4
- ME4
- an underdog but who says it can't be a winner: Mars2

I wished also Cyberpunk in the mix and of course some Ubi's take on RPG in sci fi setting, but well… Can't have them all in one year.
The truth is out there and is about to be revealed soon, all we need is some patience. To be honest I would be the happiest man on earth if each and every one of them is a masterpiece that takes every single other avoidware (read: grinders with checkpoints) GOTY contender out of the picture, but that's something too optimistic to expect.

Originally Posted by sakichop
I suppose, but even if you think they are both great games I think it would be rare for someone to find them exactly equal.

I think the games have a lot of differences. To like two things with so many differences the exact same amount I would find unlikely. If you break both games down I think pretty much everyone would find one better than the other even if by a minuscule amount.

The point is that there are games which are hard to measure in such a way, and there's no sure-fire process in place to quantify combined quality.

I know from personal experience that my "favorite" games keep fluctuating - and in this case, with Skyrim and Witcher 3 - I find it impossible to say which I like best.

Now, I haven't completed Witcher 3 yet - but I expect I'll end up loving it a lot. But I also love Skyrim - and I simply can't say which is better.

Maybe I'm the only one who feels that way about certain games?

Originally Posted by DArtagnan
Maybe I'm the only one who feels that way about certain games?

Nah, it's perfectly natural. I could never say that X, Y or Z is my favorite game, song, movie or book. It really doesn't work that way. But it could be the game, song, movie or book that evoked the most A or B.

The point of this thread was that because both games provide a great amount of freedom, I got pushed towards trying to play it a bit like I did Skyrim, i.e. a walking simulator. Just wandering around and see what happens. I think Skyrim is better in that and I got a sort of confused feeling while doing it in The Witcher 3, as if I should be doing something else. Especially, since I was in pursuit of Ciri and time was of the essence. (You must save the world NOW! Okay, let me first take care of this rat problem.) And also because seemed to be less interesting places to find along the way to distract you and suck you in.

Both games have their own strengths and weaknesses and cannot be necessarily compared. However, since The Witcher 3 is somewhat of a new experience, of course you used your past experiences to evaluate it and determine your play style.

Originally Posted by Thaurin
And also because seemed to be less interesting places to find along the way to distract you and suck you in.

Out of curiosity… after you have seen a couple of vanilla Skyrim's dungeons and forts what were those other interesting places you talk about?

Originally Posted by zahratustra
Out of curiosity… after you have seen a couple of vanilla Skyrim's dungeons and forts what were those other interesting places you talk about?

I have no idea, to be honest. It's been too long since I've played vanilla Skyrim. I've installed new areas, Interesting NPCs, all kinds of immersion mods, probably about 50. I don't know what vanilla is like anymore.

But it's probably that I remember how I stumbled into a town or inn I found, for example, and proceeded to talk to people. Finding out that there's some monster or whatnot bothering them, etc. I go to a town in The Witcher 3, well, in Velen at the time I wrote this, anyway, and almost none of them had much to say. It's not as bad as I first thought, but I'm still having more fun working through quests instead of roaming the map.

I never noticed a single bug in Skyrim and I finished it and all the DLCs.

I'm sure they existed … somewhere.

Originally Posted by zahratustra
Out of curiosity… after you have seen a couple of vanilla Skyrim's dungeons and forts what were those other interesting places you talk about?

All the other dungeons and forts with unique content in them, like journals, scenes, quests and so on.

Originally Posted by DArtagnan
All the other dungeons and forts with unique content in them, like journals, scenes, quests and so on.

Yeah, it kind of felt as if every little area had its own little story behind it. In The Witcher 3, that's more what the quests are about. Yeah, still comparing, so sue me.

All things being equal I'd prefer the fewer deeper side quests of witcher 3 over the more numerous but shallow dungeon "stories" of Skyrim. Having both would be great though.