Final Fantasy X & X-2 Steam Release?

Originally Posted by Fluent
Yeah. Pretty much every JRPG over the years has had "optional" grinding to complete optional side content. Pretty much every Final Fantasy, in fact, had the option to do very daunting and difficult side content which required some grinding. At least, for sure from VI on up.

Eh, I don't want to fuel Joxer here, but the grinding in FF XIII was pretty much mandatory.
No way you could finish game without it, even on easiest difficulty.

Originally Posted by BoboTheMighty
Eh, I don't want to fuel Joxer here, but the grinding in FF XIII was pretty much mandatory.
No way you could finish game without it, even on easiest difficulty.

I didn't play XIII, but I hear you.

I just know that in many Final Fantasy games I've played, as well as other JRPGs I played growing up and even recently, a lot of them have the obligatory "difficult end-game side content that you have to grind to complete, yet it's totally optional". Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, many Final Fantasy games, etc., all have that. I figured that was a staple of the old-school FF games but I haven't played any of them past 11, so, yeah…

FF13 is pathetic game. Never finished it, mentioned it already, it sux. I regret every cent paid for that one.

FF10, this PC version, may be older, but is a better game. At least it wasn't as annoying as FF13 - so I finished it.

For FF10-2 dunno yet. Will know more in a few days.

The reason I'm pretty confident about the grinding thing is that FF12 was where I got introduced to mandatory grinding. I would go from zone to zone, just as I had my entire life, and found myself completely hosed after a day or two.

Though there could be something tripping me up on 10: the overdrives. If I think a boss is coming, I might fight just to get everyone's up.

Are these games the type where the turn based isn't really turn based but more like you have to react a bit quicker? Gotta say I'm not liking those as much as the pure turn based games that the earlier Final Fantasies had.

Final Fantasy X is a true turn based game.

FF10 is, FF10-2 isn't.

For anyone out there with 3D Vision (or AMD's equivalent, or a VR virtual monitor software than can do 3D screens), this game is particularly good.

I want that feature in The Witcher 3, not in games with ZXSpectrum/C64 graphics.

If I'd own a VR, I'd want it for a game which lets you play as a female. What's the point of pretending to be a man in a virtual world? I don't have a desire to change my gender. So, for X-2 I guess, but definitely not X.

Eh? What's the point of pretending to be anyone else? Because it's fun!

Anyway, you're actually playing as three males and three females at the same time. Plus it's a JRPG so they don't let you really be them, anyway, you just watch them.

Oh well, I just think of virtual reality as something like reality. I wouldn't want to pretend to be a man in reality In games, sure, although I always feel somewhat distanced from male characters, as if I'm observing them rather being them.

But yeah my comment was misplaced, after all, VR technology didn't come far enough to provide us with something that feels like reality.

I hope not or those sewer levels are going to be AWFUL!!

When I was a kid I actually dreamt of exploring the sewers! It seemed so cool. Maybe I'm strange, but it still seems cool now, in a discover-something-you-haven't-seen-before way. But I have to remember that I'm no kid and to avoid asking people how to enter underground They would surely think I'm strange.

Eh, sewers are usually my least favorite place to explore in RPGs. Generally, they are brownish/dark greenish, all the walls, corridors, etc. generally look the same, etc. Just boring areas to me.

However, sewers that hold secrets, or unique encounters, or have secret areas or something like a series of caves connected to them, or secret rooms, that can be really cool.

Oblivion had pretty decent sewers, I thought. Morrowind's were pretty basic. Can't really remember any other really memorable sewer areas. Hmm….

I don't remember sewers in Morrowind. Which city had them?

I recall the sewers in Athkatla in Baldur's Gate 2 offering some decent exploration and encounters.

Originally Posted by JDR13
I don't remember sewers in Morrowind. Which city had them?

I remember sewers in the expansion Tribunal.

When I was younger I spent an entire summer exploring the sewers of Atlanta and a couple of other towns in Georgia. In retrospect I would say that hobby will not attract girlfriends and has the potential to put a person quite high on the police radar. The sheer fun factor, however, outweighed the bad by far. To this day, I cannot resist a sewer plunge in any game.

Originally Posted by JDR13
I don't remember sewers in Morrowind. Which city had them?

The canton-based cities had them, such as Vivec and Molag Mar. In Vivec there were hatches in the Underworks that led directly to the sewers.

Although, now that I think about it, there were some interesting things to find down there - such as a hidden Daedric shrine or 2, and a quest-related NPC or 2, and of course the infamous pilgrimage/shrine quest thing where you had to pray to the shrine deep beneath Vivec's palace for what I believe was a Temple quest. But overall they were mostly basic corridors.

Tribunal also had sewers, which were much more interesting overall, as they directly led to huge, varied areas full of surprises and interesting stuff, as well as some of the toughest encounters in the game (Black Dart gang, goblin chiefs, ,etc.).

Finished X-2 too.

What I think in short.
Both FF10 and FF10-2 are better games than FF13. FF13 has better graphics only.
But neither of them is a musthave nor mustplay. There are plenty of annoyances in both of them and honestly, grinding is the lesser evil how bad some stuff was designed.

Buy only if on sale and only if your backlog is not huge.

Next stop for me is FF9. A friend of mine said it's not HD but has horrible phonegraphics (I've seen bafore someone call it Disney graphics here, people, don't insult Disney please, it's phone), but I don't actually care about that. Apparently FF9 has some cardgame better than anything in any FF game.
So I have to check it up.