New Star Wars movie gets 100% on Rotten Tomatoes

Originally Posted by lackblogger
Heeey, I was saving that one for later in the discussion!

Too late!

It was clear to me, just by the previews, that Rey was trained.

Well, if true then that would ruin the whole credibility of the Rey character even more than it already is but I would not be surprised if they go all out cheesy and Ben and Rey turn out to be twins like Luke and Leia. That was just about the only thing from the OT they did not rehash yet so it would fit right in .

"Noooo I *am* your brother".

"Nooooooooo…."

"Noooooo….. please nooooo…."

blahblahblah yadayadayada

Either way… it's either going to be the cheesy twin thing or a cheesy romance/love affair.

Originally Posted by joxer
100%?
LOL

The only movie with 100% on RT I've ever seen was Modern Times. And that one deserved even more than 100% if you ask me.
If there is another movie with 100% there, that definetly isn't Star Wars. At least not yet.

I'm pretty sure I saw Stalker has 100% on RT. Ofcourse, it absolutely deserves it, unlike this pile of burning trash

Originally Posted by lackblogger
Same goes for you Jaz, "the rest … um … well. It shouldn't have featured those OT old timers - I lost all interest in their antics and progeny around the time of the Yuuzhan Vong books." Really? omg, really? I just can't…

YA, RLY. I wasn't too impressed with them when I was 11 - I went to see 'that movie' (the first Star Wars film, or Episode IV, or A New Hope) for the droids, and when I saw it for the second time a week later, I saw it for Vader and the Stormtroopers. Uncovered flesh just doesn't do much for me *g*. But over the years I came to like Luke, kind of.

Originally Posted by luj1
I'm pretty sure I saw your mom has 100% on RT. Of course, she absolutely deserves it, just like this awesome new movie Star Wars

Aw, c'mon, nothing's 100%, I think by going to that extreme of positivity you just come across as a mindless fanboy. I duuno, I guess you might be, in which case I apologise, but, man, I loved the movie and all, but I wouldn't call it 100%.

So, you know how Superman Returns was panned because it was basically a repeat of Superman 2? I kind of got the same sense of deja vu with this new SW film. A lot of the same plot elements. Ok movie I guess, maybe 8/10. Pretty unoriginal though.

Either way… it's either going to be the cheesy twin thing or a cheesy romance/love affair.

It will be neither.

Originally Posted by Damian
It will be neither.

Spoiler

Rey is Luke's child

*responding to spoiler*

Originally Posted by Moriendor
*responding to spoiler*

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If that is true (BIG IF in my opinion) then, OK, you're absolutely right that it could not be the twin thing, of course, since Ben and Rey could not possibly be brother and sister if Luke is Rey's daddy, but why "neither"? Why could they not have a cheesy love/romance affair? Skywalker and Solo, the perfect match… just like Han and Leia.

I could imagine something like Ben pulling Rey aaaaaallllllmmmmoooost over to the dark side in Episode VIII (which is likely to have a darker theme just like Episode V) but then Rey cutting loose somehow and pulling him back over to the light side in Episode IX (maybe with Luke's help who might even die in the process)? It's Disney and Lucasfilm… there will be a happy end like Ben and Rey riding into the sunset together. No doubt about it from my point of view.

Originally Posted by Damian

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Because that would make them 1st cousins because Leia was Lukes sister. You have to understand the Star Wars movies are as a big space opera about the Skywalkers as they are about the Force if not more so. It always will revolve around them so yeah it will be about family

Originally Posted by lackblogger
Aw, c'mon, nothing's 100%, I think by going to that extreme of positivity you just come across as a mindless fanboy. I duuno, I guess you might be, in which case I apologise, but, man, I loved the movie and all, but I wouldn't call it 100%.

That's cute, pudding… However I wouldn't go as far as to say this movie has any long-term value or original substance… The fact this low-standard regurgitation of decades-old plot elements from previous movies resonates with your measure of quality is nothing surprising in this day and age.

Originally Posted by Couchpotato
Well I agree with all of Moriendor critiques above in his post.

I'll sum up why the movie is mediocre at best, or you all ready?

It's simple really because of Disney and J.J. Abrams.

Though I doubt Lucas himself could do any better nowadays either.

PS: I expect I'll get flamed for not liking a well liked movie again.

Yes its mediocre at best… I read somewhere that JJ had another script going as well, but Disney wanted to go with the rehash…

I believe that some of the storm troopers look different due to them being some kind of trial for superior stormtroopers (which obviously didn't work out too well), something to this effect is said at the start of the movie.

Fairly solid I would say a 7 out of 10. Absolutely hated c3po - both the voice and he looked CGI. The start impressed me a lot (10/10) but I felt it went downhill from there. Battle sequences were solid.

This bodes well for the sequel as "A New Hope" I would probably rate about a 7 as well. Definitely suffers from the JJ Abrams effect - it possesses similar qualities to the 2 new star treks and lacks any amazing set pieces. Nothing as memorable as the battle on Hoth or like the final lightsaber battle between Luke and Vader in RotJ.

Just watched it last night and I'm totally with Moriendor. Minor spoilers ahead.

1st 10 min were shocking and very jarring (opening crawl & droid plot just awful) picked up nicely to set things up (did like the new gen) then Han hobbled around, the menacing Wren took his mask off to reveal darth wimp, Rey pulled Jedi mind tricks out of nowhere, 30 years of stuff got skimmed over ("aup princess, been a while") and guess what the baddies main weapon is? :facepalm:

This all whilst constant gags were being thrown around to fairly"meh" effect. I honestly didn't think it could be so bad.

It nailed about 3 moments well, but just like the prequels for me. In 10 years folk will come round to how poor it is.

Genuinely shocked by how many enjoyed it. Would give it 4/10




Can understand that some like it, really can't understand the claims that it's better than ROTJ though!

Originally Posted by Moriendor

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A good side question by the way: Anyone know why the stormtroopers no longer all look like clones of Jango Fett? What happened?

Because it was said in several publications that

People complaining about the movie not explaining what happened in the last 30 years should just read the Aftermath novels and comics. That is how Star Wars have always rolled. The movies are basically just standalone events in a much larger universe and the publications are where the meat of the setting is.

Even between A New Hope, The Empire Strike Back and The Return of the Jedi there was extra material to read if you wanted to know everything: the first Star Wars Marvel comic released in 1977 and lasted until 1986.

Originally Posted by azarhal
People complaining about the movie not explaining what happened in the last 30 years should just read the Aftermath novels and comics. That is how Star Wars have always rolled. The movies are basically just standalone events in a much larger universe and the publications are where the meat of the setting is.





Even between A New Hope, The Empire Strike Back and The Return of the Jedi there was extra material to read if you wanted to know everything: the first Star Wars Marvel comic released in 1977 and lasted until 1986.

Thanks. That said, from a film POV, people shouldn't be expected to read a novel or comics. This should have been included in the film, if only in bitesized portions.

Originally Posted by luj1
That's cute, pudding… However I wouldn't go as far as to say this movie has any long-term value or original substance… The fact this low-standard regurgitation of decades-old plot elements from previous movies resonates with your measure of quality is nothing surprising in this day and age.

First of all, thanks for posting something reply'able, as I can now reply properly. Second, just one small fact to straighten out, it's not a low standard regurgitation, it's a high standard regurgitation, and this is a very important difference. Just because something is a regurgitation does not mean it's low standard. Now… onto the regurgitation…

The long-term value will be determined by the second installment, using a self-prediction to judge a movie is rather dumb, as I have already said in this thread a number of times. The originality of the movie is a mute point for most fans, for several reasons:

1) After the disaster of the prequels, not only were the studio's hands tied, but so was customer expectation. Both the level of the fan's hatred combined with the level of money being risked combined to force a safe new entry to the series, it couldn't be anything else and to expect anything else is idiocy.

2) After the disaster of the prequels, the majority of fans are more than happy to have a safe regurgitation just so long as this provides a glimpse into whether the studio is actually going in the right direction. If everything is top-drawer and a return to the spirit of the original series, both in look and tone, then, sweet bejezuz, we'll take a few repeated ideas. Maybe not for movie after movie, but the trust level here will be volumes larger than after Phantom Menace.

3) What Star Wars is mostly about is the Space Opera elements, that is, if you prefer, the character elements, if you will, the Biowarian aspect, in that, if you're watching them like most people are, then you'll be watching characters more than plot-line, atmosphere more than plot-line and interesting set-pieces more than plot-line. The characters are all A ok, the atmosphere is A ok, the set-pieces were mostly A ok, the only thing that wasn't A ok was some regurgitation. The amount of regurgitation that was present was not a valid enough excuse on its own to warrant shitting on the movie to the degree you no doubt want to.

The fact that a few regurgitations are all it takes for you to go full-Macintosh is nothing surprising in this day and age.

@Jaz: Ah thanks . Well, maybe for the next movie Abrams would be so kind then as to provide a required reading list of EU publications before watching the movie? Or is he just going to keep on assuming that everyone has read up on everything?
Besides, I thought Disney/Lucasfilm had specifically determined everything EU to be non-canon?

Confusing, this is…

Originally Posted by Falksi
Just watched it last night and I'm totally with Moriendor… Rey pulled Jedi mind tricks out of nowhere…

I guess you had no choice but to be with Moriendor because how can you be with anyone else when you quite obviously didn't even read anyone else. In answer to the false-point you raise here, please feel free to read the already written replies to it.

And, no, you don't need to read all the expanded universe to know what's going on, I and many others were able to cope with the rather obvious hints the movie gave as to why the point emerged that you mentioned. So weak. So… so weak. It really does sadden me that the movie's score will be being false-ding'ed by falsehoods People get so up in arms about paid reviews, to which I support their arms, but amazing how it's often the very same people who don't hesitate to shovel equally dishonest reviews when it suits them. No wonder it's so hard to find honesty on-line