What is it about Zelda?

Originally Posted by JDR13
And you're claiming that those two games are the only games in the entire NES library that had that characteristic?

No,just that they were the first 2.

I'm not twisting anything here as you certainly don't need any assistance in making yourself look foolish.

So now it's not open world if some things have to be done a certain way? Because I could make a long list of open world games where some things have to be done before others in order to complete the game. In fact, that would describe nearly every open world game ever made.

I think the issue here is that you don't fully understand what "open-world" means. It refers to having complete (or close to complete) freedom to go wherever you want in the game world. It doesn't mean you don't have to complete certain things in order. Gothic, Risen, TES, Two Worlds, The Witcher 3… I could go on, but I think you get the point. They're all open-world, but you still have to complete some quests in a linear fashion to advance the game.

So you are saying Zelda 1 and BotW are unique in that way? Well gee, wasnt that the point I was trying to make all along?

EDIT: I was pointing out that you can have an "open world" and not have "open world gameplay".

EDIT 2: I guess its still not open world gameplay in the same sense as Minecraft though. I have to ponder this.

Originally Posted by Damian
No,just that they were the first 2.

They weren't the first two. I already gave you examples of other other NES games that were released prior to Zelda. Even if Mario was the first NES game to have that characteristic, do you really believe there were never any games on PC, Atari, Colecovision, Intellivision, etc, that you could say that about?

Originally Posted by Damian
So you are saying Zelda 1 and BotW are unique in that way? Well gee, wasnt that the point I was trying to make all along?

EDIT: I was pointing out that you can have an "open world" and not have "open world gameplay".

No, you still have to do certain things in order in Zelda 1. I gave some examples.

Originally Posted by JDR13
They weren't the first two. I already gave you examples of other other games that were released prior to Zelda.

? Why are you going in circles? I said those are the first two to get people to talk about the game by sharing secrets. That is my point.

No, you still have to do certain things in order in Zelda 1. I gave some examples.

Not really. The final boss is gated by having to collect all the triforce pieces in an order, getting the silver arrow which is in same dungeon, and getting the master sword which requires 12 hearts. The dungeon that needs the raft has to be done before that. And that was the only limits AFAIK for the game.

BotW only requires you to get the starting 4(or was it 5)shrine skills before you can complete the game.

Originally Posted by Damian
? Why are you going in circles? I said those are the first two to get people to talk about the game by sharing secrets. That is my point..

Then your point is wrong. As I said before, those games weren't made solely for that reason. It's just a characteristic that they share, and they weren't the first games that got people talking about secrets.

Originally Posted by Damian
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Not really. The final boss is gated by having to collect all the triforce pieces in an order, getting the silver arrow which is in same dungeon, and getting the master sword which requires 12 hearts. The dungeon that needs the raft has to be done before that. And that was the only limits AFAIK for the game.

BotW only requires you to get the starting 4(or was it 5)shrine skills before you can complete the game.

No…really. You just proved that what I said was correct. Some things have to be done before you can complete the game.

How long do you want to drag this out?

*Edit* I'm finished with this discussion, and quite frankly, I feel dumb for having gone on this long with you. I think you need to work on your English comprehension, and I'm not saying that to insult you.

Originally Posted by JDR13
Then your point is wrong. As I said before, those games weren't made solely for that reason. It's just a characteristic that they share.

? That is what i was getting at, that characteristic was unique to Zelda and Mario at the time.

No…really. You just proved that what I said was correct. Some things have to be done before you can complete the game.

It should have read "in any* order". I was saying that those "some things" dont have to be done in any order.

Originally Posted by JDR13
*Edit* I'm finished with this discussion, and quite frankly, I feel dumb for having gone on this long with you. I think you need to work on your English comprehension, and I'm not saying that to insult you.

I am more confused than ever. Hopefully someone else can run through what was said and explain to us what happened here from a different perspective from our own because I think it is you who is having problems with reading comprehension.

Originally Posted by Damian
That is what i was getting at, that characteristic was unique to Zelda and Mario at the time.

There was NOTHING unique about it. They weren't the first games ever made to have secrets that people talked about.

Originally Posted by Damian
It should have read "in any* order". I was saying that those "some things" dont have to be done in any order.

You have to obtain the Triforce, magical sword, and silver arrow, BEFORE you can access the 9th dungeon and defeat Gannon. So yes, that's doing something in order. What exactly do you not understand about that?

This guy is just fucking with me, right? I mean, no one can actually be this dumb… right?

Originally Posted by JDR13
There was NOTHING unique about it. They weren't the first games ever made to have secrets that people talked about.

Finally we are getting somewhere. So how many secrets were talked about from other games? Zelda and Mario were built around that, they had many secrets which is why they had great word of mouth.

You have to obtain the Triforce, magical sword, and silver arrow, BEFORE you can access the 9th dungeon and defeat Gannon. So yes, that's doing something in order. What exactly do you not understand about that?

My point is that they could be done in any order, like you can get the silver arrow before you get the magical sword or triforce or vice versa before defeating Ganon. That said i do believe you needed the flute and ladder to enter other dungeons as well, those dungeons were gated that way. So the raft, ladder and the flute gated some dungeons so you had to do other dungeons first. But other then that it you could do it in any order.

You know the original ultima, I've never played that game, did that game have many secrets? I dont know. My point would be rendered moot if you said that game had many secrets.

40h in or so now, still enjoying it really love the quite varied landscapes and things to see, easily the best single player open world game when it comes to that.

One bad thing is the A.I. You can stand on a cliff and shoot arrows at an enemy and he will not move out of the way, just spam arrows until he's dead. I think most other open world games has fixed this flaw by now.

Overall, Bethesda's open world games (possibly Farcry too, dont remember right now) are a bit better here and less predictable when it comes to enemies behavior. In both Zelda BotW and in Witcher 3 i get that unimerssive World of Warcraft-feeling with the enemy mobs unfortunately. Here they do go to sleep at night which is a nice touch, and i like some of their reactions (sometimes quite hilarious, especially when clearly pissed off), and that they pick up objects from the environment. Battles are quite fun, depending on the enemy.

Not a 10/10 imo, but very good.. A clear 10/10 from Nintendo was Super Mario 64, wow what a game that was/is.

Originally Posted by JDR13

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20…-from-pc-games

Breath of the Wild shows Nintendo is learning from PC games

Erm… Someone should tell them AssassinCreed franchise is consolegames with many bad ports on PC.

Originally Posted by joxer
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20…-from-pc-games



Erm… Someone should tell them AssassinCreed franchise is consolegames with many bad ports on PC.

The producer mentioned he did play witcher, skyrim, farcry.. Open world games does have a history in PC gaming more than for consoles, so in a way its probably correct that the influences are more in the way of traditional PC open world games than games similar to Assasins Creed. Ass Cred. isnt really open world in the same sense either, it's "just" a big city..

Originally Posted by BoboTheMighty
I've no idea where this is going and I started this thread.

Well at least it has changed my opinion… At first I was like, why the fuck is everyone so obsessed with a gay elf, and look at me now, downloading BoTW. The conservative in me is almost ashamed.

Originally Posted by vurt
The producer mentioned he did play witcher, skyrim, farcry.. Open world games does have a history in PC gaming more than for consoles, so in a way its probably correct that the influences are more in the way of traditional PC open world games than games similar to Assasins Creed. Ass Cred. isnt really open world in the same sense either, it's "just" a big city..

Issue with that is BotW open world is so different from what is usually provided on PCs.

Originally Posted by ChienAboyeur
Issue with that is BotW open world is so different from what is usually provided on PCs.

Different? Closest game is probably WoW, which has some quite fantastic and varied landscapes.. I'm sometimes also thinking of Gothic 2.

Originally Posted by vurt
Different? Closest game is probably WoW, which has some quite fantastic and varied landscapes.. I'm sometimes also thinking of Gothic 2.

I am constantly reminded of Gothic 2 when playing the game because of the climbing mechanic being somewhat similar in the sense you arent restricted on what you can climb but ti also has limits unlike Assassins Creed. In Gothic 2 you had to climb using little ledges, in Zelda, the stamina meter is very important, if you cant find solid footing before you run out you, slip and possibly fall.

How to build an airship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGZElRJtyCo

pretty amazing how creative you can be with the physics in this game

I have only played the first or the second Zelda game on SNES but from what read here (mainly from Damian) and else where has convinced me that I have to play the new one too!

It seems they have got the world simulation aspect nailed and and respect player logic. In other words it seems it will have an excellent game play mechanics.

However the switch is £280 and the game is £60 so I am can't just justify £340 spend given that I just got the PS4 Pro for about £300! I am going to wait for the price is to drop to at least £250 for the whole thing.

I'd buy a used Wii U and the game.. play, sell for very little loss.. Personally im interested in other games for Switch, like the next Mario and mariokart.