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April 26th, 2019, 23:56
Learn more about the trade system of Mount & Blade II:

Dev Blog 25/04/19

Greetings warriors of Calradia!

Conducting trade runs between towns as a merchant has always been one of the most fun and profitable activities for players in our games. Bannerlord's trade system improved on this aspect of the game in many ways, by displaying trade rumours on the inventory screen, tracking player profits, awarding trade XP accordingly to characters, etc. which makes playing as a merchant much more fun and rewarding. However, we still had the feeling that something was missing, so we decided to dedicate more care and attention into the economy and trade system.

We like making everything in the game connected to each other, however, trade and item prices felt like it was only there to make the game playable as a merchant (and to be honest, it kind of was). We had implemented a rather thorough production system where everything in the game, from food to weapons to cows and horses, were produced in villages or town workshops. This created an uneven distribution of different trade goods in the world, and consequently, there was sufficient price variation across the map. However, we had a rather simplistic system for the consumption of goods where each town consumed a certain percentage of all available items, regardless of scarcity. This, of course, was quite unrealistic. (When faced with a shortage, people don't tend to politely reduce their consumption to a lower level, they rush to hunt for and grab the last item on the shelf, prying it from the hands of a nice old lady if needs be!). So, while the system was suitably connected to other mechanics, it was grossly unrealistic. We needed a new system!

For our new system, we started by creating a table outlining how much a typical town would spend on different categories of trade goods and items. For example, a town with a prosperity of 5000 will allocate, say, 500 denars to spend on grain, 400 denars to spend on meat and 200 denars to spend on butter each day. The town then uses the budget allocated to each category to purchase items of that category from the market and consume them. Moreover, every time an item is consumed, it will give a bonus to one of the town stats. Consuming food items, for example, will increase towns food stores, consuming tools will increase productivity, consuming cheaper weapons and armour will increase the number of militia, while more expensive arms will improve the garrison. This mechanism means that low prices are quite beneficial to the town's development and consequently its lord since towns with cheaper goods can obtain much higher bonuses with their budgets.

This system nicely ties town stats and management to the price of goods, but it is also great for merchant gameplay as it allows us to gauge prices in a realistic way. Instead of the rather simplistic price model we used to have, we now have a rather detailed model that determines prices based on supply and demand for each category in a given town. Higher demand from town consumption, workshops requiring raw materials, etc., will increase demand and push prices up, whereas the availability of higher quantities of items will increase supply and deflate prices. As a trader, you will hopefully feel that prices behave realistically during peacetime, as well as, in response to actions such as wars, village raids and sieges.

During the development of the new trade system, an interesting point came up. As you probably know, in Warband, as in many other trading games, the price point changes every time you purchase an item from or sell an item to the market. This sometimes feels counter-intuitive since as soon as you purchase a desert horse for 100 denars, you see that the price jumps to 106 denars. And once you pay that for the second horse, the price now becomes 113 denars. You were perhaps expecting a discount for buying multiple items in one go, but instead, you got a price hike.

We considered whether we should keep using the same mechanic for Bannerlord, and in the end, we decided that this was actually entirely realistic and therefore opted to keep it. Think of this not as how the price of goods change in a single shop (with a particularly annoying shopkeeper!), but rather as prices of the same type of good in different shops across the town. One horse merchant may have a pack horse for sale for 106 denars, another could offer one for 113 denars, and yet another who perhaps needs cash urgently will let you buy his pack horse for a mere 100. Being a wise shopper, you, of course, choose the cheapest offer. However, if you want to purchase a second horse, you will now need to take the next best offer, and so on.

And that concludes this week's blog. Thanks for reading and hope to see you next week!
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April 27th, 2019, 01:02
I don't think this game will be interesting to me when it comes out anymore. It's been way too long.
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April 27th, 2019, 17:54
This game will be released about the same time as Star Citizen. IOW, never. Shame though, looks to have had a lot of promise.
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April 27th, 2019, 20:58
I'm sure they will release this before I've reduced my backlog to zero.



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April 28th, 2019, 17:58
Not reading about this game anymore just taking too long. Once t releases I'll probably have some interest again. I once joked it would be 2020…in reality that might actually be true
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Not reading about this game anymore just taking too long. Once t releases I'll probably have some interest again. I once joked it would be 2020…in reality that might actually be true
Probably 2021 or later as they still haven't launched Early Access as planned yet.
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Probably 2021 or later as they still haven't launched Early Access as planned yet.
Amazing that's about a ten year development cycle. I think they have backing from University/government otherwise no way it could last that long. Only way I guess is if they had other day jobs. Maybe they do I don't know
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April 28th, 2019, 21:07
Their team is small, Turkey is probably a bit cheaper in terms of wage costs, too. And they might still have some left over / incoming from Warband, or from licensing their engine? I'm sure they're not getting richer at the moment, but it may be enough to carry them along… But yes, they may also have governement funding.
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April 29th, 2019, 12:42
Issue is the gap between what devs want to deliver and what players expect the product to be: a mere command and conquer product.

It put devs under the pressure of delivering bullet proof mechanics or players will reject them, wishing them gone. No room for improvement.

Trade is another evidence: merchant is a behind the scene role, a role of influence. By working on trade lanes, protection of caravans, it is possible to shift the center of gravity of the economy toward a specific town, hence ensuring the prosperity of a kingdom hence ensuring efficiency in wartime etc

Owning a fief is not required, nor a title, a by proxy role. Combat is limited to fending bandits off caravans etc

Which does not fit in the conquest plan of players who desire a top dog eat dog world and sit at the summit. They desire the shortest path to vassal, king and world domination.
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