Drakensang - Updates @ Official Site

I think he must be talking about you guys.

is this your book my unregistered friend?
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p…_article/3372/

activists may be problematic and self-righteous but at least what they are trying to wipe out is the 'greater evil'. whereas your 'militant religious zealots' are much more likely to inflict human causalities as opposed to property since there targets of hatred usually have faces rather than buildings or bank accounts.

just for reference i don't think anyone on this site falls into either of those categories, which is why i find it strange to resort to 1st grade name calling that is niether accurate or relevant…

also i can't speak for anyone but myself but i don't think anyone wishes you leave or is to troubled by you. i think it simply comes down to the notion of a level playing field and seeing a username is a simple but step that give "peace of mind" and helps give your comments a face--

you wouldn't want people to start thinking your viking_beserker or something.

You know, if you read alot of threads on here we disagree alot about what we think is a good game. But that just shows we are individuals and are entitled to have our opinions. Noone is shot down here (much) for voicing their opinion…they don't label you here if they do not agree with you.(as done on other forums).

To be honest, I'm kind of at a loss how you get this hippy mentality, firstly becaquse hippy hasn't really been used in years, secondly being civil does not mean hippy. Just because you can type crap and insult everyone(not saying you did this just using an example) does not make it ok. Alot of us here are adults and don't really need to deal with that. Just look at fallout 3 threads on here we have those that like it and those that don't…and you know what neither are wrong.

Also, I think you came in with the mentality that noone likes you so you will say your peice and go…I have no problem discussinjg it and I don't think anyone else does.

Unregistered, you talk about posts being deleted. Strange, I probably have deleted more posts than anyone else except for the removal of spam posts from gold bots and the like, but the ONLY reason I have deleted anything other than spam is for personal attacks and insults, usually in the P&R forum!!

Should I bring some k-y to this love fest?

Well, depending on how you define the word “religion”, curious, your activist can be your "militant religious zealot". Ideas are more powerful than guns, and the zealots don't want you to have either. And first graders usually call names like poop-head, not hippy-fascists. This is more like 10th grade name calling at least. And I have not called anyone in particular a hippy-fascist.

My posts have personally been deleted on many occasions, for no reason other than hippy-fascism. That’s fine. I don't pay for the privilege of getting free news on this site. The owners/moderators of this site can do as they please. They are the rule makers, they set the standards. They are providing me with a free service I value, and they allow me to voice my opinion for free. All I have to do is not be that big of an idiot. But, my idiocy used to bring smiles to their faces, now it makes them enter a hippy-rage of intolerance and delete-mania.

I know I'm an idiot. I enjoy being one. It entertains me. I never give anyone a hard time first, and I never give anyone a hard time I think can't handle it. And I usually do it to make them more interesting. I make other people better. Or in my opinion I do, which brings me to my second point: I don't care what people think of me. If you sign my paycheck, if you give me oral sex, or there is some sort of tangible pay-off to you thinking well of me, I'll care. I break my back to provide for my family. I gave up pretty much everything I enjoy, I have to be fake 90% of the day, so when I get some time to myself and I'm going to spend that time posting on the internet, I'm going to try and get the most out of it. If time is money, I’m trying to get the most bang for my buck. Can anyone fault me for that?

And at the end of the day, if people like me, or if they don't like me, I'll still have an awesome penis, and that’s what’s really important.

I don’t think no one likes me at all, and I’ve never had that mindset. I think people would be crazy not to love me. The upper echelons of this site like me enough to want to make manlove to me. Sure, I annoy them at times, sure I give them hippy-rage, but they still dream of rubbing their naked chests against my bare, broad, hairy back and giving me mustache-rides. It’s just the way of the world; I have that effect on people. Sometimes the idiot wins in real life.

So what you are saying is you are compensating by being on the net where in real life you have to fake being nice….you can say what you want and not have to man up to it…I get it now.

It's not Roqua is it?

You're exaggerating. Very few posts get deleted and only those that are are very extreme. Even then, the posts show up in the forum (marked "deleted").

Sounds like Tessera

Originally Posted by Unrestigered
"The Witcher -> "

"Great name." Either you mean "The Witcher" itself is a great name, or the books behind the game is a great name/content/source for a game.

Me, personally, I'd say "both".

"The Witcher" is an relatively unusual name - especially for a male character, since it's mostly "the Witches" -> and they are female.

The books behind that seem to have a strong following in Poland, as far as I understood remarks here. I didn't know them, but all in all this (the game, too) made me become interested in these books.

So all in all i can say at least for my own part that a game has sparkled interest for a book series in me.

That's why I always say that Drakensang should very much be used as an initial spark to cuse interest in the international market.
which means that it is from my point of vuiew absolute necessary to translate the rule system and the novels for the international market !

Outside of Germany, the novels are - as far as I know - totally unknown (I'm speaking of TDE), a similar thing that's true for The Witcher in my case. I didn't know *anything* about this book series.

If I was of Ulisses (the current distributors of TDE), then I'd demand a translation of at least ONE basic novel for the international market 1 And relase it at the same time as the game !

This would give interested ones more food to consume and bind them more closely to futher international products. Imho.

My personal model how far this goes is always (A)D&D. There are games, which make people become interested, which might direct the new interest towards other products - novels, especially - of the same world, which binds them more closely …

For Blizzard's games, there are novels, too. For other games as well (Spellforce, for example).

In my opinion, cross-marketing is hugely underestimated - especially on the German market.

But i must also admit that I'm no expert at all. I've nver learned markeing as a professional. All I can do is put things together - rather intuitively - and draw my conclusions.

Which means there is always a certain chance that I'm wrong. In my assumptions.

Originally Posted by Unrestigered
And at the end of the day, if people like me, or if they don't like me, I'll still have an awesome penis, and that’s what’s really important.

I don't think that there is a controller out there which enables you to control software via a penis instead of hands.
Especially regarding games - and that's what we're talking here about.

I am one of the people who believes registering before posting would go a long way to acceptance

Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer
If I was of Ulisses (the current distributors of TDE), then I'd demand a translation of at least ONE basic novel for the international market 1 And relase it at the same time as the game !

IIRC Ulrich Kiesows "Der Scharlatan" (IMO the best of the (now 50+ ?) TDE-novels) and a few other books were translated to english back in the days. I guess the TDE-Setting is not that good to sell to the american costumers - there wasen't even a real "Sauron-like" enemie before 4e IIRC (Borbarads Rise was with 4e, wasen't it ? - I stopped playing with 2e.); also there is to much "70's-Spirit" in the aventurian societies (see the reaction to the Gypsie-Queen even here in the forums).

I also doubt that you can get enough interest in a video-game (or anything ) by releasing novels - neither in germany nor the international market.

The fans of the old NLT were kicked in the face by the new streamlined game-mechanics - no wonder they don't cheer at the new Game.

IMO Drakensang is a decent modern RPG - no groundbreaking experience, not the worst of the bunch, solid but bland. Exactly what I expected of it, based of the media-covering.

http://www.rpgnow.com/index.php?cPath=208

Thats a link to buy The Dark Eye sourcebook, as well as The World of Aventuria, and the adventures/modules The Secret of the Blue Tower/Witching Hour.

IMO Drakensang is a decent modern RPG - no groundbreaking experience, not the worst of the bunch, solid but bland. Exactly what I expected of it, based of the media-covering.

Why was NWN 2 such a hot seller when it wasn't solid and even less than bland? I enjoyed the little demo of drakensang a million times more than I did hours and hours wasted playing NWN 2. Was the media-coverage of drakensang accurate and the coverage of NWN 2 not? Why? Unless you are stating that there is no accounting for poor taste.

Alrik,

I can't follow the novel theory, or agree with it. I would probably never buy a novel based on a pnp system or a video game, and I can't really see all the ADD kids of today having it in them to read a whole book without overdosing on Ritalin.

You're exaggerating. Very few posts get deleted and only those that are are very extreme. Even then, the posts show up in the forum (marked "deleted").

I'll give one example. I had a post on Avernum 5 deleted because I called Spiderweb's purchase system (of making you wait all weekend to get the unlock key) zionish. And not too long before that I was learned, here, that zionists are in no way related to Jews, and are a totally separate political entity having nothing at all to do with any kind of Jewish person anywhere.

My post was not "very extreme." It didn't converse with hippy-think, and was deleted for it. My post wouldn't have been deleted if I called Spiderweb Republicanish. In fact, I can say whatever horrible things I want about republicans. Republicans are evil racist pederasts who created Katrina in a voodoo ritual to kill blacks. See? When hippy-fascism takes root, reason leaves the building.

But, again, you guys are in control of this site, you can run it any way you want. I'm not a paying customer. You guys can be as crazy as you want, and make as little sense as you want, and turn to the dark side of allowing only one view be accepted and tolerated as you want. Ethics is no longer a school of philosophy, it's a science. Opinions are now facts, and facts lead to the Truth, and the Truth cannot be argued.

And sometimes it proves my points for me, so I should be saying thank you I guess.

I am one of the people who believes registering before posting would go a long way to acceptance

So does conformity, and accepting whatever pill the cult wants you to swallow. The 14 year old girl who didn't feel ready to have sex did so to be accepted. Some other kid tried coke for the same reason. I look for acceptance like I look for testicles to slap on my chin.

People sometimes just want to add in their 2 cents without going through the hoopla of registering. I'm of the mindset that speech should be free, that everyone has a right to an opinion, and a right to give voice to that opinion. If there are rules on what you can or cannot say, and people can be IP banned, why not allow the unregistered to post? But again, I don't make the rules, and the leadership here can do as they see fit, and run their free service that we all value in whatever way they deem appropriate. But conforming just doesn't sit too well with me. I know it’s a crooked game, but it’s the only game in town.

My opinions:
- I am interested in Drakensang, have it preordered. I learned about it in this site.
- My problem with unregistered posts is that, if a different 'unregistered' posts in the same thread, it can get very difficult to follow conversations and points of view.
- I like non pot-smoking hippies (my random sentence of the day)

Well, NWN 2 had at least Collision-Check, no Diablo-Barrels and you could actually at least be unpolite sometimes - the DraSa Protagonist is (at least in conversations) always a polite Citizen who respects the gods and authorities but accepts other cultures - it doesen't matter if he is a Rogue, an Elf or a Necromancer. He/she is a hippy-fascist

OTOH I liked NWN 2 only after the first expansion - the OC was as bland as DraSa while not having its great Atmosphere. NWN 2 OC had a bit more choices but a lot more filler-content IMO.

Originally Posted by Corwin
First, you called us hippy-fascists.

Pure provocation.
The results of Troll inbreed.

Originally Posted by Fenris
The fans of the old NLT were kicked in the face by the new streamlined game-mechanics - no wonder they don't cheer at the new Game.

Like me. I was hoping for an "NLT 2.0", but my fears began to grow in 2007, when I talked to the then marketing representative for about an hour or so on a role-playing games convention.

Originally Posted by Unrestigered
Alrik,

I can't follow the novel theory, or agree with it. I would probably never buy a novel based on a pnp system or a video game, and I can't really see all the ADD kids of today having it in them to read a whole book without overdosing on Ritalin.

Wewll, in my case it is so that I'm still looking out for two books:

- The Oath Of Stonekeep
- Pools Of Radiance 2

Two novels about two games/worlds/environments.

As far as I know, it is very, very difficult to get them nowadays in my own country, since they were never translated and therefore never widely published "here".


Edit: Okay, Amazon Germany has them, I must admit.

Originally Posted by Alrik Fassbauer
Like me. I was hoping for an "NLT 2.0", but my fears began to grow in 2007, when I talked to the then marketing representative for about an hour or so on a role-playing games convention.

Same here. Huge fan of the NLT…but then again, just using the DSA license doesn't obligate the developers of Drakensang to stick to NLT's design any more than BioWare had to stick to Gold Box design just because they used the AD&D license. Bernd was very clear on it being BG in 3D primarily rather than a sequel to NLT from day one (though I understand the German response to that was more mixed) and its clarity allowed me to just shrug and move on. If they were claiming it as a sequel but developing it as they did I would've had some issue with it, but as it was, I'll just play the game for what it is rather than what I'd hope it to be.