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Orzammar spoiler question *SPOILERS*
December 13th, 2009, 15:45
Originally Posted by Remus
Probably glitch.
Yes, let's hope so, I'd certainly hate to think I'm going mad!
When I do my playthrough as a mage, he'd better be in Tapsters, waiting for me!
Keeper of the Watch
December 13th, 2009, 23:29
I've never used him; I like my 3 women plus ME party!! 
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December 14th, 2009, 11:09
Personally, I prefer Shale.
Which brings me to a question for the Orzammar finishers:
Which brings me to a question for the Orzammar finishers:
Spoiler – .
Keeper of the Watch
December 14th, 2009, 11:47
Originally Posted by RivianWitch
Which brings me to a question for the Orzammar finishers:
Spoiler – .
Spoiler
deep outside
December 14th, 2009, 11:59
Originally Posted by RivianWitch
Personally, I prefer Shale.
Which brings me to a question for the Orzammar finishers:
Spoiler – .
Spoiler – .
By the way Oghren won't talk to you until that whole quest is completed.
V.G.A.
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Sentinel
December 16th, 2009, 23:00
Is there any way to side with harrowmont and still have the better dwarven eding because although Harrowmont seems the good coice his crowning is supposed to be no good for the dwarves….. ???
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Watchdog
December 17th, 2009, 00:47
Originally Posted by LannisterOh? Why is that? I did the dwarven noble origin, so there was no way I was going to side with Behlen. Now I'm curious as to what would be the "better" ending?
Is there any way to side with harrowmont and still have the better dwarven eding because although Harrowmont seems the good coice his crowning is supposed to be no good for the dwarves….. ???
Keeper of the Watch
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Original Sin Donor
December 17th, 2009, 05:43
The problem here as someone who knew nothing about the dwarves is that you're really not given much information about which one to support. For me it was a guess based on which lackey I liked best before I ever met the principals. One was far more arrogant, so I went the other way.
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December 17th, 2009, 10:23
Generally, I've only been able to get a "good" dwarven ending by being a dwarven noble.
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Original Sin Donor
December 17th, 2009, 12:13
Originally Posted by CorwinVery true. In fact that whole choosing sides thing doesn't make too much sense:
The problem here as someone who knew nothing about the dwarves is that you're really not given much information about which one to support. For me it was a guess based on which lackey I liked best before I ever met the principals. One was far more arrogant, so I went the other way.
Spoiler
I think it's a shame because, overall, I really enjoyed Orzammar and the Deep Roads, but that 'dilemma' is, in my opinion, the clumsiest part of the game by far.
Last edited by holeraw; December 17th, 2009 at 17:24.
V.G.A.
December 17th, 2009, 12:52
Well I think that even if you didn't play the Dwarven Noble origin (I played through most of the origins just to "see", but I continued with my Dalish warrior), you do get subtle hints in the game, that one of them is the more honorable candidate.
Before I did the Dwarve noble origin, I was simply more inclined to side with one of the candidates because of reasons the other posters mentioned, but I wasn't 100% sure. Of course, playing through the origin story completely made my mind up for me.
Perhaps the devs did it the way they did for more potential variety with replays? You might side with one side if you did a different origin, and then once you did the Dwarven noble, you'd possibly change your mind…
Before I did the Dwarve noble origin, I was simply more inclined to side with one of the candidates because of reasons the other posters mentioned, but I wasn't 100% sure. Of course, playing through the origin story completely made my mind up for me.
Perhaps the devs did it the way they did for more potential variety with replays? You might side with one side if you did a different origin, and then once you did the Dwarven noble, you'd possibly change your mind…
Keeper of the Watch
December 17th, 2009, 14:40
I really don't think it's that's complicated. There is no "right" or "wrong" choice in that matter.
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Original Sin Donor
December 17th, 2009, 14:43
Originally Posted by RivianWitchSubtle hints are good in many situations, but here we're talking about two people fighting for the crown and a civil war ready to happen for them: not a very subtle matter. Essentially there should at least be some sort of campaign (other than the blatantly obvious propaganda of their criers) and most citizens should have some opinion on the matter - I mean they're about to kill each other and they don't care about politics?
Well I think that even if you didn't play the Dwarven Noble origin (I played through most of the origins just to "see", but I continued with my Dalish warrior), you do get subtle hints in the game, that one of them is the more honorable candidate.
Not to mention the fanatics that appear out of thin air after you've made up your mind - where were they hiding before that? Why couldn't I talk to them before and ask them what's so great about the candidate they support.
Originally Posted by JDR13You have to make a choice though… if there's no "right" or "wrong" one and/or no profitable or beneficial one etc. then how am I supposed to choose? Should I just flip for it? For the "choices and consequences" concept to work shouldn't there at least be some sort of expected or foreseeable consequence for each choice?
I really don't think it's that's complicated. There is no "right" or "wrong" choice in that matter.
V.G.A.
December 17th, 2009, 15:13
Originally Posted by holerawFrom the game it´s quite clear you´re choosing between a honorable fossil and a progressive asshole. It´s a good case of ambiguity, I´d say, though I agree it should be a bit more pronounced in-game.
For the "choices and consequences" concept to work shouldn't there at least be some sort of expected or foreseeable consequence for each choice?
The consequences are sufficiently foreseeable imo. Coupled with Branka/Caridin decision, defintely not clear as a day, but why it should be?
deep outside
December 17th, 2009, 17:12
From the game it´s quite clear you´re choosing between a honorable fossil and a progressive asshole. It´s a good case of ambiguity, I´d say,That is why I think that if you had not done the Dwarven origin, you'd in all probability decide to go for the progressive guy; but doing the origin would give you a personal reason not to.
So: a nice way to rig the situation for replayability. Apparently there are 4-5 possible endings for the dwarves.
Keeper of the Watch
December 17th, 2009, 18:59
Originally Posted by holeraw
You have to make a choice though… if there's no "right" or "wrong" one and/or no profitable or beneficial one etc. then how am I supposed to choose? Should I just flip for it? For the "choices and consequences" concept to work shouldn't there at least be some sort of expected or foreseeable consequence for each choice?
That's not what I was saying. What I mean is that there is no clear good or evil here. There is only whatever choice is right for *you* as a role-player.
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Original Sin Donor
December 17th, 2009, 21:29
I liked the choices available; you could try to do something good but its result could be not something that you have hoped for, much like in the reality. Plus, even a good guy have personality flaws.
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