Is RB writer a national socialist?

[TomRon]

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, even when those beliefs are totally fucked up.

I however am just as entitled to choose what products and companies and yes, individuals to support. That's also part of the "freedom" concept.

I choose to not buy products from companies that have agendas that I consider shady or highly immoral. I choose not to buy meat from animals who spent their life inside a box. And I sure as hell can choose not to buy a game where the lead writer is a believer in white supremacy.

To say these things doesn't matter and that the end product is all that's relevant is (to me) a really weird way of looking at it.

 

[Ivanwah]

You Americans sure don't.
I'm not talking about US alt-right, kekistan's kid, proud boys, The_Donald fans or other idiots. Those are just kids and trolls, they're a joke. They can freely express their nonsenses as much as they want, I don't care.

This, a thousand times this. Americans were lucky enough to not get invaded, but that means majority of than can't fully understand the horror the nazism is and why us Europeans are wary of any sign of it.

 

[Winterfart]

@Winterfart; :
Can you please answer my MP. I need some clarifications on your position against RB now and if I can continue to believe in your offer concerning AoD FR translation there. Otherwise, that's what I would consider as a collateral damage, not because it would affect it ( I will accomplish it, no matter the conditons,) but because I am planning to translate RB in FR after this and I would need help there… But now, if you don't want to get on board, I would sadly understand. But still.

Yep.

It's a definite yes for AoD, and it will be also yes for RB if the "culprit" has been eliminated in the meantime.

 

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Being intolerant with neo nazi

We don't use the term "national socialist" here in Germany. This is an alien term to me. At least literally read.

What terms we do use here are, for example, "Neonazi" and "Skinhead".
Coming from "neo" -> meaning "new", maybe you don't kow that. Has nothing to do with "neon".

 

[Eye]

Okay. Back to topic. In case you have any further news to add about RB and its lead writer, or the position of RB has/should have/should not have in this.

Explaining how a neonazi/racist should be dealt with: create a thread in P&R. Or try PM.

 

[henriquejr]

@Myrthos; or any admin out there:

Can't you put ALL this whole thread in ithe Political forum (which, by the way, I've never ever set my foot on) ? Please, pretty please!!

 

[Ripper]

@Myrthos; or any admin out there:

Can't you put ALL this whole thread in ithe Political forUm (which, by the way, I've never ever set my foot on) ? Please, pretty please!!

I do understand, but I think this one is a bit of a difficult case. It's obviously getting ugly, but at the same time it's an issue that might reasonably affect whether people want to support the game, which makes it more pertinent than an irrelevant P&R scrap. I don't think the discussion should be completely locked away.

 

[Wisdom]

I do understand, but I think this one is a bit of a difficult case. It's obviously getting ugly, but at the same time it's an issue that might reasonably affect whether people want to support the game, which makes it more pertinent than an irrelevant P&R scrap. I don't think the discussion should be completely locked away.

P&R isn't completely locked away. They can still go and discuss to their hearts content.

I know it doesn't happen much once the thread is moved to P&R because then it takes extra work etc etc. Most keyboard warriors are just that.. keyboard warriors. Even going to a different forum is too much work, much less action in real life. Much easier to just type out feelings.


PS. Just a generic observation, not particularly based on anyone here.

 

[Ripper]

It's locked away from those who are not logged in members, and hidden from the front page. That affects the large majority of people who visit the site, and might be interested, if not (very understandably) wanting to join the discussion.

 

[Eye]

@Myrthos; or any admin out there:

Can't you put ALL this whole thread in ithe Political forum (which, by the way, I've never ever set my foot on) ? Please, pretty please!!

I changed the title of the thread into a question but decided to leave the thread where it is. For the reasons Ripper has given here. He beat me to it writing them down, formulating good English sentences takes me more time.

Everybody that does not agree is free to skip the thread.

 

[henriquejr]

Realms Beyond is a game I never heard of before, until the RPGWatch member named "you" posted an alpha gameplay video (post # 62) on CouchPotato's thread about Random RPG News (or would it be a Random thread about RPG News? )

Suddenly I got interested in the game. And other members too. And then the game's lead writer is said to be a neo-nazi (and, until now, he didn't show up to dismiss/deny this).

Should the game keep being developed, other news about it will eventually be published here in RPGWatch, and those future threads covering the game will be full of the same kind of posts we're seeing right now. Some attacking the lead writer because of his beliefs while other members will say either "There is no full, undeniable evidence he's a nazi, he's only trolling us, let the developers do their job!" or "Yes, I believe/know he's a neo-nazi and I don't care about what he is, I just wanna a good game!".

It will only be a repetition of what we are seeing now.

As for me: I am on "wait and see" mode. Maybe the writer quits the project; maybe the project got cancelled. I won't deny the video aforemetionend got me interested in the game, but at the same time I would really hate if any kind of neo-nazi propaganda surreptitiously got into the final version of the game. I'll wait and see…

 

[Winterfart]

As for me: I am on "wait and see" mode. Maybe the writer quits the project; maybe the project got cancelled. I won't deny the video aforemetionend got me interested in the game, but at the same time I would really hate if any kind of neo-nazi propaganda surreptitiously got into the final version of the game. I'll wait and see…

Here's a part of what Hobgoblin42 told me in MP.
He seems like a good guy, so I'll trust his judgement, for the better or for the worst:


<Deleted>


It's also likely that he leaves by himself because, as others pointed out to me (not on this site), he really likes that project, maybe more than his nazi beliefs. (fine by me)

So, It will be over soon, hopefully.

 

[Eye]

I created a new thread in P&R and moved some postings of page 2 of this thread to the thread “Being intolerant with neonazi”.
This because people were not quite done with the sub topic.

 

[Winterfart]

@Eye;
sorry to cause you extra work

 

[Ripper]

Yes, tiresome business for the moderators. But, what can you do when there's Nazis in the woodshed?

 

[FeelTheRads]

Here's a part of what Hobgoblin42 told me in MP.
He seems like a good guy, so I'll trust his judgement, for the better or for the worst:

<Deleted>

It's also likely that he leaves by himself because, as others pointed out to me (not on this site), he really likes that project, maybe more than his nazi beliefs. (fine by me)

So, It will be over soon, hopefully.

Wow, I bet you feel so good playing with people's lives, huh?
Getting people fired because you don't like the music they listen to. That's some internet warrior stuff right there.

 

[Copper Coin]

Just the fact that he used swatsikas all over the codex while promoting the game is reason enough to fire him. It's unprofessional behavior and he should of known better.

If the bar is him directly denying the holocaust or saying death to jews, like I said in the other thread, neo-nazis don't operate that way in public. They use dog-whistles, pseudo-science, and history revisionism. Him arguing there were no black people in North Africa is an old talking point used almost exclusively by 'scientific racists.' It's also total BS.

 

[Winterfart]

Just the fact that he used swatsikas all over the codex while promoting the game is reason enough to fire him. It's unprofessional behavior and he should of known better.

I don't know US laws well enough, but I think that's protected under speech laws there… right?
Is the codex an American site? Is a German dude posting on an american site is protected by US speech laws on behalf of the site?
Laws are really not my thing

If the bar is him directly denying the holocaust or saying death to jews, like I said in the other thread, neo-nazis don't operate that way in public. They use dog-whistles, pseudo-science, and history revisionism. Him arguing there were no black people in North Africa is an old talking point used almost exclusively by 'scientific racists.' It's also total BS.

I'll trust Hobgob' to see through the bullshit tactics those scums usually employ.
Plus, he knows the guy personally.

Let's just wait and see, now.

 

[AbounI]

It would be good to keep a neutral position there until JarlFrank has a possibility to state his beliefs. Unless you feel the right to talk for him ? Don't be too prompt to condamn ppl before they can be judged. AFAIK, in every trial, defenders got the right to defense themselves, no? What if now some can pronounce punishment before the judgment ?
So, calm down please. There are ways to do things right. And when we left right, that's when we went wrong, no?

 

[Darthowicz_Roxorowski]

Here's a part of what Hobgoblin42 told me in MP.
He seems like a good guy, so I'll trust his judgement, for the better or for the worst:

<Deleted>

It's also likely that he leaves by himself because, as others pointed out to me (not on this site), he really likes that project, maybe more than his nazi beliefs. (fine by me)

So, It will be over soon, hopefully.

Nice public posting of private messages