How would you prefer to donate?

How would you prefer to donate on RPGWatch?

  • Recurring small monthly sum

  • Recurring medium monthly sum

  • Recurring large monthly sum

  • One-off small sum

  • One-off medium sum

  • One-off large sum

  • I would not donate

  • Other (please explain in comments) or staff member


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I've added Supporter status to all of our indispensable staff members as well: @HiddenX , @Arhu , @Myrthos , @Corwin , @forgottenlor , @Silver , @Gorath . (Not including @Pladio in the list only because he's already donated himself.)

This doesn't do anything at the moment except add the Supporter banner to everyone's profiles as we don't have any ads up yet. Once the ads are introduced, however, everyone in the Supporter user group will not see any ads on the site or the forums. I'll be adding some more perks for supporters in the following weeks by way of thanks.
 
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Yes, sorry to bother you with awkward questions, but I have a (bad?) reputation to maintain.

Q1: is this like the good'ol'days in that once the maintenance total is reached we will all be spared advertisements? Or is it a case that we're getting adverts no matter how much is raised? And if the total is raised, will this be signaled so that contribution nagging can cease?

Oh shit, that was 3 questions I guess. I dunno, it's all about that one thing though. Ah well, you get the idea.

Q2: I notice money givers now get a gold tag. This a is new thing. Not entirely sure if I like it. Are people allowed to donate anonymously? And does it forbode a two-tiered watch?
 
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@Taluntain - Would you do what Myrthos used to do and keep track of running costs and income ?
Or is that a secret now ? Or too difficult to calculate due to the amount of websites?
This is something that I've discussed in one of the threads back when taking on RPGWatch in May of 2022 (man, time really flies...). I won't be doing it like Myrthos for several reasons, and the fact that much of the expenses and maintenance work done on the server and our hosting environment in general benefits more than RPGWatch alone is also a factor in that. Like you said, it would be difficult to calculate exactly how much of the various expenses to attribute to RPGWatch vs. the other sites I run and/or manage. There are certain expenses that are easy to attribute to RPGWatch alone, like various forum and addon licences and domains, but they represent only a fraction of the overall running and operational costs.

I've been running RPGWatch out of my own pocket for nearly two years now and to be honest, I didn't bother doing the maths on how much that's cost me. I've had to deal with a major disaster last summer when my house was flooded that's basically put my life on hold for several months and dealing with the aftermath of that has kept me preoccupied to the end of last year and beyond. My goal now is to get back on track with what I've been wanting to do around here last year before being interrupted by the flood.

Enabling RPGWatch visitors and members to contribute to the costs of keeping RPGWatch online in the future and offsetting some of the costs incurred over the last two years is definitely important, so that's my priority at the moment. Later on, I will be looking at advertising options, as ads are normally the main source of income for websites such as ours, since the majority of visitors will not support the site with donations. Once these basics are sorted out, it's easier to work on all the other aspects and improvements to the site, as you don't have to worry about the bills associated with keeping everything running any more. Profit isn't my primary concern here, as there are many better paying online enterprises than running independent gaming websites. I do run a business in RL though, so I need to make sure that in the long run I'm at least not losing money, and if there's any income left after covering all the expenses, that's just more incentive to work on and improve the site further.
 
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Yes, sorry to bother you with awkward questions, but I have a (bad?) reputation to maintain.

Q1: is this like the good'ol'days in that once the maintenance total is reached we will all be spared advertisements? Or is it a case that we're getting adverts no matter how much is raised? And if the total is raised, will this be signaled so that contribution nagging can cease?

Oh shit, that was 3 questions I guess. I dunno, it's all about that one thing though. Ah well, you get the idea.

Q2: I notice money givers now get a gold tag. This a is new thing. Not entirely sure if I like it. Are people allowed to donate anonymously? And does it forbode a two-tiered watch?
I'm not sure if Myrthos displayed ads when there were not enough donations, but regardless, no, as I mentioned above, I won't really be keeping tabs on how much it costs to run RPGWatch exactly and I don't want to have to constantly "nag" people about donating either. Ideally, donations combined with ads contribute enough that asking for donations is only needed if any major expenses are incurred, like the need to move to a new server and so on.

You also need to keep in mind that Myrthos counted only external expenses in his breakdowns, but he's actually put thousands of hours of his own time and technical expertise into developing and coding RPGWatch. While I'm pretty competent and able to do much myself around RPGWatch, I'm not a coder or a web designer and ongoing development of any website the size of RPGWatch requires both on a semi-regular basis. As long as Arhu and Myrthos are still willing to contribute their skills to handle at least the most pressing issues we can get by with that. But if that changes, or if they can't commit enough for what will be needed in the future, I'll need to find paid help. And this kind of work is very expensive these days when done by reliable and trustworthy people -- the only kind we can have working on RPGWatch.

Regarding your other question, I will definitely be adding the option for people to donate anonymously and/or without registering. Basically, any donation made when logged out of your account will be considered anonymous. This will be available shortly, as I'm sure that we have many visitors and readers who are not registered on our forums, but would still like to contribute. I need to set this up completely separately, as the forum donation system does not allow for donations by unregistered users.

As for a two-tiered Watch, in what sense? Nothing much will be different for those users who don't donate. Any perks for the supporters will just be a small way of saying "thank you"; this works the same on pretty much all the forums where supporter donations are available.
 
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I'd really prefer you kept RPGwatch adware/spyware/malware free. Sorcerers is pretty infested.

The idea myrthos had with donations was to keep the site AD FREE, not pay2hide ads.

Thanks for saving the site, though. ;)
 
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What's this all about?

I'd really prefer you kept RPGwatch adware/spyware/malware free. Sorcerers is pretty infested.
That's a false positive over nothing, see this thread. Sorcerer's is definitely not "infested" in any way, shape or form. Unfortunately the prevalence of various addons that overzealously flag non-issues as "potentially malicious" means that many users will have some addon that needs to justify its installation popping up warnings so that users will be more likely to keep it installed. That's their business model, which IMO is almost equally as bad as actual malware.

As far as any ads are concerned, the majority of gamers block them all by default, as I'm sure you do as well. So I'm not really overly concerned about the ads being much of an issue for anyone.
 
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As long as Arhu and Myrthos are still willing to contribute their skills to handle at least the most pressing issues we can get by with that. But if that changes, or if they can't commit enough for what will be needed in the future, I'll need to find paid help. And this kind of work is very expensive these days when done by reliable and trustworthy people -- the only kind we can have working on RPGWatch.
From the discussions we had when the server had to move, you may find help here in the community for that. On the one hand, people may have second thoughts after a while for any number of reasons (mainly busy life or unexpected amount of work), but on the other hand, passionate people who know and like the site are more willing to do something good. External help of quality is either hard to find or expensive.
 
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From the discussions we had when the server had to move, you may find help here in the community for that. On the one hand, people may have second thoughts after a while for any number of reasons (mainly busy life or unexpected amount of work), but on the other hand, passionate people who know and like the site are more willing to do something good. External help of quality is either hard to find or expensive.
For some things that could be possible, but not for others. RPGWatch actually has a very extensive back-end custom coded by Myrthos. It goes quite a bit beyond what your average coder dabbling in PHP would likely be able to comfortably work with without spending quite a bit of time studying it (and possibly learning that they're out of their depth). Also, letting anyone external work on a complex existing system is inherently risky for a number of reasons, security certainly being among the top ones. Being a forum member is one thing, but having access to all the RPGWatch code and data is something else entirely.
 
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@Pladio has both "Supporter" and "RPGWatch Donor" tags? As if he needs more tags :LOL: Is that second one from some old donation drive?
 
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For some things that could be possible, but not for others. RPGWatch actually has a very extensive back-end custom coded by Myrthos. It goes quite a bit beyond what your average coder dabbling in PHP would likely be able to comfortably work with without spending quite a bit of time studying it (and possibly learning that they're out of their depth). Also, letting anyone external work on a complex existing system is inherently risky for a number of reasons, security certainly being among the top ones. Being a forum member is one thing, but having access to all the RPGWatch code and data is something else entirely.
Obviously it would need to be someone familiar with it. I don't know whether someone here is, but PHP is quite trivial as languages go (though it can be very messy). The risk is defined by the protocol to modify the code and test it, so it's the same for anyone, member or 3rd party.

Anyway, it's only a suggestion to keep some things simple or in case a dev is hard to find. After all, that's how it has successfully worked for decades for the Watch. When there's a small thing to modify, community members are easier to reach and the process is very simple, but there's no guarantee of when it'll be done, so I can understand if you prefer a more conventional approach.
 
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Further thanks to @wiretripped and @BrianOConnell for their donations!
Quite welcome! I've been enjoying this site for years, so it's a no-brainer to support it for me. :) As to the poll, I prefer a one-off sum.
This doesn't do anything at the moment except add the Supporter banner to everyone's profiles as we don't have any ads up yet. Once the ads are introduced, however, everyone in the Supporter user group will not see any ads on the site or the forums. I'll be adding some more perks for supporters in the following weeks by way of thanks.
Will being a 'supporter' also get rid of the GOG ad on top? Hopefully not, since it makes it easy to contribute further and buy through the affiliate link.
 
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Just a suggestion : Have some merchs. Get some rpgwatch tshirts, mouse pads etc It's always nice to donate when you also get something "real". And there are quite a lot of online stores that handle the hassle for you.
 
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@Pladio has both "Supporter" and "RPGWatch Donor" tags? As if he needs more tags :LOL: Is that second one from some old donation drive?
Yea, the previous donor tags are from the 2021/2022 donations that Myrthos still processed. Since it's been around or over 2 years since those donations were made, I'll probably retire the old donor tag in a couple weeks once everyone's had the chance to donate in our new system. Either that, or make it so that only the Supporter tag shows in posts for those users who have both. That can be done with a bit of custom coding.
Obviously it would need to be someone familiar with it. I don't know whether someone here is, but PHP is quite trivial as languages go (though it can be very messy). The risk is defined by the protocol to modify the code and test it, so it's the same for anyone, member or 3rd party.

Anyway, it's only a suggestion to keep some things simple or in case a dev is hard to find. After all, that's how it has successfully worked for decades for the Watch. When there's a small thing to modify, community members are easier to reach and the process is very simple, but there's no guarantee of when it'll be done, so I can understand if you prefer a more conventional approach.
A brick is also very trivial a thing; an entire house made of it not so much any more. ;) I can do most small modifications myself, so I'd need help with things that go beyond that for the most part. As far as I know, Myrthos has been the sole developer of RPGWatch since the beginning, so there's nobody that knows it even remotely as well as he does. Arhu is the only other person involved since the beginning, but primarily on the styling/design side, not the actual code. If I can keep Myrthos involved on the back-end side, either voluntarily or in a paid capacity, he'd definitely be my first choice.
Quite welcome! I've been enjoying this site for years, so it's a no-brainer to support it for me. :) As to the poll, I prefer a one-off sum.

Will being a 'supporter' also get rid of the GOG ad on top? Hopefully not, since it makes it easy to contribute further and buy through the affiliate link.
On the other sites that I manage, I don't exclude the GOG button with the regular ads, exactly for the reason you listed. So the plan is to keep it here as well, I think that makes sense.
Just a suggestion : Have some merchs. Get some rpgwatch tshirts, mouse pads etc It's always nice to donate when you also get something "real". And there are quite a lot of online stores that handle the hassle for you.
Sure, that's a good idea to do eventually as well. Though we'd probably need a re-do of all the logos and some custom design work done for merch items as well as the old stuff lying around on the server isn't really usable for print. You need everything in vector form so that it can be resized to fit various merch items without any loss of quality, and it has to be consistent in terms of fonts used etc. as well.
 
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Only you could possibly be bothered by something that trivial.
Well, why change it?

What Valith said was obviously very arrogant but had he only used the word "support" instead of "donate" he actually has a valid point. Are we not all supporters?

Any contribution; comments, critisisms, etc, along with general good will towards to site is certainly a show of support. In fact, that's the bulk of support. All the donations in the world would do nothing without users making posts. Especially true in the case of the "staff" posting on the front page.

"Donor" is a much better world for those who donate.

As I said earlier, the idea was always to take donations so the site could be ad free. Ad free for everyone. Some can afford to donate, others can't but we're all part of the community. People didn't donate to get a shiny golden label to set them appart. Specially blinged up to encourage "support".

But, apparently, we're getting ads too - regardless of costs being met or not. Tal can say sorcerers isn't infested with ads but just click the link and have a look. Would be a sad day to see all those banners and online casino ads on RPGwatch.

"Doesn't bother me - I'm a Supporter! I get a different site!", you say.

Again, the donations of Watchers used to carry more weight and keep the site ad free for everyone. Now they don't. That isn't the value a donation used to have. This is a new subscription fee that doesn't support the values we've always had.

Tal also talks about the "hidden costs" of the value of myrthos time working on the site. Who knows how much that's worth! So, if the sites meeting costs from donations and turning a profit from ugly ads, when do staff members get paid for their time? Heck, when does anyone contributing to a site entirely made entirely of user posts, generously donated by people like valith, get paid?

Is the actual reality that Tal just grabbed a free site, that gets similar traffic to his own, just to stuff it with ads, doubling his ad hits, and make a profit while paying the staff nothing while potentially already meeting server costs from the ads on sorcerers alone?
 
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