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Thats an extraordinarily disingenuous statement. I've told you why I don't like it and why I find it propaganda. Not to mention any number of RPG reasons.
I don't think it’s disingenuous at all. Your original statement was, “From the left side the most common mis-representation I see regarding politics in games is 'x game has this political theme so you should be okay with game y'. Where game y has propaganda not merely political themes. Its a false equivalence. No one objects to political themes.”
So, you are attempting to claim that the problem is not politics, but propaganda, and I don’t think you’ve successfully defended that at all. You’ve essentially asserted that some things are bullshit (on which you speak for 99% of the species), that some people complained about certain games, and EA had at least one dickhead working for them.
I find that a reaching statement. I've told you a personal metric I use to measure bullshit which accords with the basis of most laws. Don't make of it more than it is. The extreme left is considered the extreme left precisely because they don't value rationality over emotion.
It’s not reaching for anything – if you have decided that virtually everyone agrees with your definition of what’s bullshit, that tells a great deal about your thought processes. And, I think it informs the discussion, particularly what I’m saying about you trying to portray subjective political positions as objective facts that virtually everyone accepts. As for your definition of what constitutes the “extreme left”, that is your own invention. And I think it is laughably ironic given the state of right-wing exponents in this era.
I gave this the snip because you seem to want me to comment on other posters motivations plus its kind of obvious isn't it. Yeah the Taliban are freedom fighters to some but that doesn't mean that most people won't find them objectionable for good reasons.
Yes, that’s an obvious attempt at poisoning the well, but I think we could take a look at say, the Americans rising up against the British, or the Boers, or the Irish. All engaged in what would be described now as “terrorism” - but they had a genuine case to make as a struggle against oppression. Same with the suffragettes, the ANC – it goes on and on. The point, and I think it’s a clear one, is that the definition of what is propaganda relies very much on one’s political position.
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