The last 50 or so years

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So much has happened in the last 50 years it is hard sometimes to figure out where the world is going. Better yet if it really a place I would really want to visit if I didn't have too.

I wasn't that long ago none of us were connected in any real way and I am not sure if that wasn't better in a strange way. As the more we are connected the more it would seem we as humans really don't like each other very much.

Trust me I am not down personally in any way, my life couldn't be any better. It is just trying to figure out were it is all going from here. I still don't have facebook or any of the other many options out there.

I bring this up because my children are 14 and 16 and seeing all the pressures they get from people all over. When I was in high school with knew some of the children in the school that we hung out with and maybe a few from others.

Now of days they know people from all over and for the most part if you are not a very strong leader you are following. If you are not following you are being put down...

Also maybe I have been watching a lot of Youtube and news from all over the world that we never got before...Seems to me the more we given to improve ourselves the worst we are getting.
 
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The future is always bleak and the past always rosy.

Even though 50 years ago you might not have had an indoor toilet and in 50 years time they might have cured bowel cancer ;)
 
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The future is always bleak and the past always rosy.

Even though 50 years ago you might not have had an indoor toilet and in 50 years time they might have cured bowel cancer ;)

We might be is that a good thing?

I mean curing cancer isn't a bad thing, just how many people can the planet hold?

Also I don't think the past was rosy at all....

I am wondering if there was any point in time that there was any sort of piece with man and the world around him/her.
 
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I bring this up because my children are 14 and 16 and seeing all the pressures they get from people all over. When I was in high school with knew some of the children in the school that we hung out with and maybe a few from others.

Now of days they know people from all over and for the most part if you are not a very strong leader you are following. If you are not following you are being put down…
Back then, while schooling, I took the third option.
I guess I wasn't nerdy enough to be bullied like Hollywood movies (in fact I don't remember anyone bullied like Hollywood movies), but also wasn't beefy nor plastic to have a fan club of emptyheads around me.

Thus I was mocking "leaders" and ridiculing "minions". Dunno why, noone tried to put me down.

Anyway, although I'm almost as old as the bible, I still visit places and noticed a huge shift in socializing of modern youth. We used to joke, talk whatnot, have fun with anything, laugh on nothing, pretend to be silly, slap and kiss and hug and deliberately provoke elders with burping or something, dramatize over puberty nonseses, symphatize with strangers over anything, we did errors and were not ashamed but learned from them, we knew we're not perfect, we lived. We did all stuff that I don't see today.
The other night I actually passed over a certain spot where a bunch of people adored to go during summer as it lacks of light, it's by a river so it's not hot, a local store with cheap bear is near (still is) and always someone would bring a guitar and then we'd all have fun, dozens of people. Now, it was empty.

Seems all youth does today is phones. At home, at school, at bus, at park, anywhere. Phones and only phones while noone is telling them life is not phones.
Ok, not all of them. Luckily. But rare.

I still don't have facebook or any of the other many options out there.
Neither do I. If a day comes I'm forced to use those hating platform bullshit, feel free to kill me.
 
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I just resonated with this although not sure why:

As the more we are connected the more it would seem we as humans really don't like each other very much.

For me that seems to be true. Oh I like people if I have a chance to get to know them. Not that I like everyone I get to know by any means. I simply mean that the faceless masses, the drivers who cut you off, the people holding up the lines, or just people clogging things up because there are too many of them ... all those nameless/faceless people annoy the crap out of me. Yet take one of them and give a chance to maybe talk to them and get to know them ... and they become a person I can maybe understand and connect to.

Course the opposite is also true. The friendly person I see each morning at the laundry mat I chat with ... until I then find out some view point they have is completely antagonist to my own.

I do tend to see the past my parents had as a bit better than now. I see a lot of doom and gloom in the world right now, especially in the US but also many other countries (but I also see hope in many other countries as well - ones with positive leaders and those that treat people well). Not to mention the issues concerning climate, over-population, tight resources, the top 1% controlling it all, etc.

In the end I think much is the same though. You have the cream of humanity - a small percentage out there showing the best sides of being human and being good. Then you have the swamp, the bottom scum bags that show the worst side of being human and that part sometimes seems to be growing faster. Then all the rest, the majority, who float around closer to the mean. I don't think this has changed too much over the centuries. Maybe a shift towards one side or another at times (like now) but otherwise fairly stable. Just that more people and technology, and longer lives , is creating new stresses on the system and making people more aware of what is happening.
 
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People rarely REALLY like each other - they just like what they perceive to be good aspects about each other - and then the brain substitutes the rest of the person with similar qualites - that may or may not be complete fantasies.

The more we like those perceived aspects, the more we're willing to overlook in terms of negative traits. Sometimes to the extent that we never recognise them at all.

At other times, however, the people we thought we liked the most end up having some really unfortunate aspects that we end up being unable to ignore.

I guess that's why so many people end up leaving each other these days, as we're no longer terribly dependent on staying together in a practical sense.

We tend to not know each other very well at all, except in those rare cases where we truly understand what goes on behind the surface - which, in my experience, is almost never.

Being connected doesn't mean we understand each other better, it just means we have more people that we don't understand.

But there's a big difference between being exposed to what other people are doing much, much more - and then things being worse.

I actually think things are much better today than they were 50 years ago, and I know statistics will back me up here when it comes to basic needs met and overall "quality of life" parameters.

But that's in terms of the boring "real life" stuff that actually matters - and not in terms of projecting a perfect image of ourselves on Facebook - and measuring up to impossible (and pretty useless) standards.

It's just that this "connection" has brought exposure of what's happening all over the world on a completely new and unprecedented level.

Unfortunately, we're still drawn to misery and disaster - which is nothing new. That was always the case.

Today we have the opportunity to wallow in it if we wish - because there's always a new variety somewhere online. Also, it seems we do wish it.

Of course, I'm not a typical human being - because I'm unusually disconnected from what other people think about me. I was always like that - which means I never felt much pressure in school - or anywhere else. I never particularly doubted myself - and I was never compelled to ingratiate myself to anyone.

When I say other people, I mean people who're not already very close to me and whose opinions I have no particular reason to value.

I understand that this is NOT an easy time to be a young person who's "normal" - meaning, a person who's very concerned about being liked or appreciated by his or her peers. Facebook is most definitely a big part of creating a perceived reality of perfection - because you can present yourself as perfect.

When I say perfect, I really mean "great with just the right amount of trendy flaws" - which is what seems to be the popular image on FB, as far as I can tell.

Unfortunately, since most people really DO care what other people think of them - they will want to present themselves in as positive a light as possible, which means only a minority will be considered "the greats", because the things we perceive to be of value - at least as young people who don't know any better - are rare and hard to achieve.

I don't know how to be a parent - because I never was one. All I know is what my own parents did - and what must have had something to do with me not playing this losing game of always having to be great in social circles.

They loved me - and then they loved me some more. My father also managed to pass on his impenetrable ego to me. My siblings never really got it - for some reason, but I certainly did.

I guess I never felt I really needed anyone outside my family. I had plenty of friends - but, truth be told, I could take them or leave them.

I never invested in the social mechanics in school - or at any place of work. I'm not there to socialise, afterall.

Strangely enough, that kind of attitude got me a lot of unwarranted respect, but I'm not sure that's true for girls. I think girls (and women) are harder on each other when you refuse to play the social game.

I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing - but I do know that I'm very, very happy about not being in the game.

I wish kids were smarter about realising their own worth. As in, I wish they understood that there's no way to measure the value of a human being that holds up - and you could never be better or worse than what you are. We all make mistakes and we're all severely flawed and laughably weak and incompetent - especially when we're young.

But there's no shame in that - and there's no reason to compete unless you're absolutely certain the price is worth the effort, which it rarely is.

Some people never get that - and they strive their entire lives for the approval of others - and that's never quite enough, because the approval they're missing is really their own - and they never give themselves that break.

I'm rambling…. I don't know if any of that made sense ;)
 
Yadda yadda yadda… Young Werther, anything interesting to add something? :p
I never invested in the social mechanics in school - or at any place of work. I'm not there to socialise, afterall.
There is!

For some reason my employer doesn't understand I have friends outside of work and I don't want to socialize with people I've been teamed up with not per my choice but by others' decision. And then we had "team building". It wasn't all bad, I mean, rafting, sailing, paintball, etc. It was fun.
But honestly? I didn't become close to anyone, I feel the same way before and after, and I could use that time to do all those things with my actual friends.

Because of that, for a few years already I just skippit.
 
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I've come to believe that there is a basic need for Oxytocine, for example.
In more tribal societies, there was always a way to socialize. Those who wanted to be out of it probably became hunters, then. Or any other profession which took them far, far awy. Like herders, for example.
 
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Back then, while schooling, I took the third option.
I guess I wasn't nerdy enough to be bullied like Hollywood movies (in fact I don't remember anyone bullied like Hollywood movies), but also wasn't beefy nor plastic to have a fan club of emptyheads around me.

Thus I was mocking "leaders" and ridiculing "minions". Dunno why, noone tried to put me down.

Anyway, although I'm almost as old as the bible, I still visit places and noticed a huge shift in socializing of modern youth. We used to joke, talk whatnot, have fun with anything, laugh on nothing, pretend to be silly, slap and kiss and hug and deliberately provoke elders with burping or something, dramatize over puberty nonseses, symphatize with strangers over anything, we did errors and were not ashamed but learned from them, we knew we're not perfect, we lived. We did all stuff that I don't see today.
The other night I actually passed over a certain spot where a bunch of people adored to go during summer as it lacks of light, it's by a river so it's not hot, a local store with cheap bear is near (still is) and always someone would bring a guitar and then we'd all have fun, dozens of people. Now, it was empty.

Seems all youth does today is phones. At home, at school, at bus, at park, anywhere. Phones and only phones while noone is telling them life is not phones.
Ok, not all of them. Luckily. But rare.


Neither do I. If a day comes I'm forced to use those hating platform bullshit, feel free to kill me.

You have always had a big part of my heart on this forum, great post.
 
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