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Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Kickstarter Updates
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For those who played the beta2, they have a channel on Discord to leave any feedback, impressions, or suggestions, and it will close at the end of next week.
Why not have a contest? A lot of people enjoy the meta game and finding out how to (ab)use the systems. Fun for those that want it and no harm to the rest. And possibly they might find too broken systems which need to be patched.
Owlcat are very active and they organize a lot of events of all sorts, did you participate to the Community Quest, for example? They just released the trailer which is the outcome of that event.
Besides, there's a lot of activity in the beta at the moment so it makes sense to me. I'd rather have that than a dev that stays in his corner.
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To me it's absurd, especially when access to the unfinished product is on a paywall. Feels like a sect that does a raffle for those who tithed, or gives a medal to the one who tithed most.
I understand that some of you have reasons to think differently.
I understand that some of you have reasons to think differently.
Well, if that's bothering you, I can stop sending news on this game until it's released.
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No, not at all.
It's good to have news, but then we should be able to give opinions on it, right? Else you can lock the thread to prevent comments of people who don't share your opinion.
I was just teasing you
I must admit that the price of the beta for non-backers is something a bit out there with this game, so I understand the resentment. But others here are playing it and they may be interested to know, why make them feel bad about it?
Maybe there's an idea: @Myrthos; got one key from the last press conference they did, I don't know if he or anyone else has already used it. There are still bugs but it's getting in good shape, so if he's not using it I'm happy to organize a quick giveaway for anyone willing to participate to the beta. It's his though, so it's up to him to decide. I hope he won't mind my proposing this.
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Im not paying for unfinished games and I dont play unfinished games. But per my understanding, early access is reasonable way to test product before release, especially for smaller companies without budget for internal quality control department.
The fact that some companies exploit EA status and the fact that some customers fail to understand what EA status means doesnt change that EA is actually useful process and both developer and customer benefit from it if used properly.
The fact that some companies exploit EA status and the fact that some customers fail to understand what EA status means doesnt change that EA is actually useful process and both developer and customer benefit from it if used properly.
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We are now discussing the moralities behind EA/paid alpha practices, and honestly I didn't intend to derail the thread. To underline that I'll say that I'm glad we have news about PF:WotR, and I'm glad they have an active community.
It's "rewarding" people who pay or play most an unfinished product behind a paywall what I find conflicting with what I find ethical, but it is just my opinion. In any other industry, they pay you to test their products, not take your money and then give you a biscuit for being the most loyal of the cattle. It's sect-like behaviour, again, in my own scrwed up code of ethical behaviour.
That said, I look forward to the release of the game and playing it fully as I'm sure I will have an absolute blast.
It's "rewarding" people who pay or play most an unfinished product behind a paywall what I find conflicting with what I find ethical, but it is just my opinion. In any other industry, they pay you to test their products, not take your money and then give you a biscuit for being the most loyal of the cattle. It's sect-like behaviour, again, in my own scrwed up code of ethical behaviour.
That said, I look forward to the release of the game and playing it fully as I'm sure I will have an absolute blast.
I used to find that strange practice. Even crowdfunding, because it's exactly the same, you invest more at the beginning then you get small rewards. My thoughts were more like, if I invest in a development, I'm in and ready to share losses or benefits. It struck me most with Star Citizen, in which people sometimes pour hundreds or more than a thousand dollars just to get ships and hangars. And get no share of the benefits later, unlike normal investors do.
I came to see that, within reasonable boundaries, it helps develop new products we couldn't have otherwise, and that there is a long-term benefit. It's patronage. To be clear, I'm excluding any abuse like Star Citizen, if people are willing to throw insane amounts, that's their problem.
I think - it's pure speculation, that Owlcat put a price on the beta as a motivation filter (for the beta you can order, the beta granted to backers is not in this discussion). Otherwise it would be as unmanageable as BG3, with a zillion people posting nonsense all the time. I have mixed feeling about it, but if that works to get a better product, and if people are willing to help, who am I to say it's wrong.
As for the bit of news, if people are participating to the beta one way or the other, and if Owlcat thank them now and then to show their gratitude (actually it's just this time, the other events were for everyone), I don't see any harm. It's how it works everywhere. That being said, I've followed them a bit and I'm sure they do it mostly for fun like the scarf contest last time; they could simply have asked build tests in the beta channel and people would have done it.
I came to see that, within reasonable boundaries, it helps develop new products we couldn't have otherwise, and that there is a long-term benefit. It's patronage. To be clear, I'm excluding any abuse like Star Citizen, if people are willing to throw insane amounts, that's their problem.
I think - it's pure speculation, that Owlcat put a price on the beta as a motivation filter (for the beta you can order, the beta granted to backers is not in this discussion). Otherwise it would be as unmanageable as BG3, with a zillion people posting nonsense all the time. I have mixed feeling about it, but if that works to get a better product, and if people are willing to help, who am I to say it's wrong.
As for the bit of news, if people are participating to the beta one way or the other, and if Owlcat thank them now and then to show their gratitude (actually it's just this time, the other events were for everyone), I don't see any harm. It's how it works everywhere. That being said, I've followed them a bit and I'm sure they do it mostly for fun like the scarf contest last time; they could simply have asked build tests in the beta channel and people would have done it.