Originally Posted by DArtagnan
I'm not sure what you're trying to say - but the difference between myself and the people who take pride in their nation, is that I don't take pride in my nation.

I recognise that we're all human and subject to a whole lot of nasty shit, and if my nation had been the most powerful in the world - it would be just as corrupt and pathetically distasteful as yours is. It's the nature of power and human beings when mixed.

So, how about being a bit of a grown-up and stop being proud of corruption, greed and incompetence?

What exactly should we be proud of, oh profound giver of oracular wisdom? You've clearly got what you think is a better answer. Of course, we both know that you've admitted yourself that your grand plan with its philosophical paradigm shifts is hundreds of years from having the slightest hope of being even remotely viable, so in many ways that puts you on par with the folks that are waiting for the aliens to come take us to a better world. By all means, I cede the floor.