Racism in Modern Society

Madonna knows knothing of Romanian conditions. It's ignorant and arrogant to think that she knows better than all of her Romanian audience. She insults her paying audience and after they've given her the proper reaction, the whole politically correct, western left pretends to be shocked and repeats it's mantra of tolerance, anti-racism and the other usual bullshit. Just lame.

The people know why they dislike gypsies, gypsies have full rights and choose to be behave criminal, parasitic and uncivilized. Maybe some Romanian member should tell you all. But I'm convinced that it wouldn't cure you.

This example only shows how degenerated the arrogant western liberal mediacracy already is, and how down-to-earth Romanians still are. Gives me hope.

Ooops, sorry, am I racist? In fact, I wanted to state:
We have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.

Alrik Fassbauer said:

Memorials for other victims of the Nazis are planned oir in discussion as well...

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I've got parts of a book written where some major characters are Pentecostal. My research found that a document from the OSS uncovering a two pronged attack on Christianity: one on the inside where the Nazis appointed their own Bishops to the church and those ministers who protested disappeared; the other is a "final solution" like document persecuting "Christian sects" such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Pentecostals for the pacifist views and lack of support in the greater Christian community.

http://www.lawandreligion.com/nurinst1.shtml

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The people know why they dislike gypsies, gypsies have full rights and choose to be behave criminal, parasitic and uncivilized....

Ooops, sorry, am I racist?

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I dunno? are you generalizing?

Friends of my family turned out to be gypsy. That must explain why this hard working mechanic was such a criminal, and a tax cheat, and lived in a cave...

Lucky Day said:

I've got parts of a book written where some major characters are Pentecostal. My research found that a document from the OSS uncovering a two pronged attack on Christianity: one on the inside where the Nazis appointed their own Bishops to the church and those ministers who protested disappeared; the other is a "final solution" like document persecuting "Christian sects" such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Pentecostals for the pacifist views and lack of support in the greater Christian community.

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When an attack is carried out by Christians against Christians in a Christian country, speaking about "attacks on Christianity" creates a distorted image. It's like saying that the American civil war was an attack on American values.

I suggest having a look at Richard Steigman-Gall, The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945, that walks you through the relationship between a nationalist branch of conservative Christianity and Nazism. It's all part of the obsession about being a "true German", a true German should eventually be member of positive Christianity.

You can compare to current groups such as Southern Baptist Convention. Compare with ideas of being a "true <insert country here>" views that usually establish that a true country member should have a certain race, an a certain belief system etc, matching that of the leaders. Anyone with that kind of mentality will eventually begin to prosecute their own neighbors and family, when their idea about who fits and who doesn't is narrowed down. There are those who speak about Nazi Germany as "secular", but they were the direct opposite. Religious freedom is one of the first rights that go away under a such regime.

Nazi Germany shows what happens if one extreme branch of tribal mentality find their way into government and begin to get rid of all opposition. Getting rid of those without "true belief" is often one of the first agendas. If you study European history, similar acts were carried out by the mainstream Christian group in every country throughout most of Europe. Even Sweden didn't have religious freedom until 1952, and during the 1800, Christianity outside the mainstream branch was prohibited and hunted down.

Bateman said:

Ooops, sorry, am I racist?

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Either that, or you're badly in need of some affection.

what PJ said.

Why i must tolerate something i don't like? I don't like Adamites religion naked women on the street, of course i will start a petition to deport all of them and send the copers to check their papers when i see one . I don't like Bazookistanians , of course i will try to persuade house owners to never sell or rent any apartment to them , not in my hood , how this is wrong and how it makes me a racist? A religion and a nationality are not races.

I was on vacations for the last 2 weeks and i saw some pretty weird things happening like 2 guys having oral sex inside a restaurant , my friends felt a bit offended , i don't have problem with sexual images so i said that we could stay and order food but my friends keep on insisting that we should leave ; later they told me that if there was 2 girls or a straight couple doing the same thing they wouldn't leave, shall i call them sexists and intolerant ?

I'm sure that's exactly what the Turks said when they "encouraged" your peeps to leave the cities along their Ionian coast. You perfectly cool with that too, or is it only OK when *you're* the one doing the not-liking, petitioning, and persuasion?

Tragos - because if you liked it you wouldn't need to tolerate it, by definition. I don't tolerate donuts because I like them. Weren't you complaining of 'police brutality' in the Athens riots a while ago, Tragos? Well, Tragos, the people of Athens just don't like socialist anarchists. What's the problem?

And yes, your friends would be sexist and intolerant in that situation.

Um.... there's definitely nothing wrong with being offended by 2 guys having sex in a restaurant.

JDR - no, but read what he said. That those same people would have been cool with it if it had been two girls or a guy and a girl. I would have left if any of those three things had occurred.

Rithrandil said:

I would have left if any of those three things had occurred.

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Oh I agree 100%, and I would do the same.




But.....what if the 2 girls were *really* hot?.....

Still, in a restaurant? I don't think I'd pay much attention to eating my meal. Food comes first, man! Food comes first.

A civilization is dependent on each individual learning how to accept the existence of what they do not like. This is especially important if whatever they do not like is an absolute, and that thereare no justifiable reasons why one wouldn't be able to live with them.

For instance, lefthanded people will always exist in the population. There are no justifiable reason why living together with lefthanded people is a problem. Fixing minor issues that may pop up with lefthanded people is of no great effort (buying lefthanded mouses to the office etc).

But if you still say lefthanded people are unacceptable to you, then you represent a problem. You actually represent a greater problem than the lefthanded people.

Then, neither religion or nationality represent a race, but challenging people due to their origin is as bad as challenging them on their skincolor. They simply cannot do anything about that.

In the case of the 2 guys, well, I am not sure I would want to eat next to any couple having sex, but that's just me. If I was hungry I probably wouldn't bother.

Prime Junta said:

I'm sure that's exactly what the Turks said when they "encouraged" your peeps to leave the cities along their Ionian coast. You perfectly cool with that too, or is it only OK when *you're* the one doing the not-liking, petitioning, and persuasion?

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Sorry but i identify with people who share ideas with me not nationality . I can expand on the Ottoman collapse era but it would be out of topic
I never go in places where i am not welcome , also i would never call anyone "racist" for failing to tolerate my habits or looks .

Rithrandil said:

Tragos - because if you liked it you wouldn't need to tolerate it, by definition. I don't tolerate donuts because I like them. Weren't you complaining of 'police brutality' in the Athens riots a while ago, Tragos? Well, Tragos, the people of Athens just don't like socialist anarchists. What's the problem?

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Reasonable answer only that there isn't such thing as socialist anarchist , also i don't remember complaining , i never complain when the regime shows it's true face because revolution day comes closer.

Rithrandil said:

And yes, your friends would be sexist and intolerant in that situation.

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I have the feeling that we don't really tolerate everything we think that we do, we just get used to them , stop bothering , stop paying attention ; when the difference stop looking so different our resistances drop . This can mean many things like our perception being manipulated or evolved , i bet that if my friends see the same image inside a restaurant for 4-5 times they will simply learn to ignore it .

Tragos said:

Reasonable answer only that there isn't such thing as socialist anarchist , also i don't remember complaining , i never complain when the regime shows it's true face because revolution day comes closer.

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Whatever you want to call yourselves. You got my point. You were an undesirable and thus they're completely fine to do whatever you claim they did to you. That fits in quite nicely with your line of thinking about why you shouldn't have to tolerate anyone you dislike. If you want to encourage home owners not to rent out property to people of 'the other' group you dislike, then others in society are free to view you as undesirable riff-raff and force you out if needs be.

And regime? You mean the elected government? OOooooookkaaaayyy.

Tragos said:

I have the feeling that we don't really tolerate everything we think that we do, we just get used to them , stop bothering , stop paying attention ; when the difference stop looking so different our resistances drop . This can mean many things like our perception being manipulated or evolved , i bet that if my friends see the same image inside a restaurant for 4-5 times they will simply learn to ignore it .

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Well, getting used to something and learning to ignore it s one of the ways you reach toleration. Tolerate does not mean approve of or accept it willingly. I tolerate the guy listening to country music on the road so loudly that I can hear it with the car windows up. I tolerate the guy listening to rap music on the subway. I tolerate the screaming kid in a restaurant. I tolerate people asking me for money on the street. I tolerate people from PETA or other interest groups harassing me to give them money whenever I'm downtown.

There has been a wave of pretty nasty violence, including multiple murders, against Hungary's Roma population.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1895255,00.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112460670

This gives a pretty foul smell to the electoral success of the ultranationalist Jobbik party in the EU elections. Anti-Roma rethoric was the core of their campaign.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090916/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_heckling_carter

This sort of silliness is part of the problem. Carter should know better. Obama stating undefined theories as fact has absolutely nothing to do with race. This is manufacturing a grievance and I just don't understand the point.

Really dt? Obama haven't done anything which he haven't promissed during the election campaign (which we won handsomely). Actually he have done (so far) less than he has promissed during his campaign.
And, BTW, Carter isn't saying that everybody who opposes Obama is a racist but that some of them are. Now tell me where did he err in this statement?

Does Wilson have a history of racism, racist comments, anything like that? If he doesn't, I'd say Carter's statement is completely unfounded.

Be as it may, the White House disagrees with Carter, apparently.