Is RB writer a national socialist?

[Copper Coin]

Someone here mentioned today that the lead writer for Realms Beyond, known on the codex as JarlFrank, had called himself a nazi on the forums over there. Thinking it could just be trolling, I investigated futher. On reddit he's obsessed with cultural diversity and history revisionism, on youtube he playlisted Nazi tribute videos, and on steam he's apart of a group that stands for the "restoration of the german empire"

My question is, should this matter when deciding whether or not to back the game? I believe in supporting good RPGs, but not people that believe other races are inferior.

Edit: Because people still doubt he's a nazi - https://www.deviantart.com/8nationalsocialism8/modals/memberlist/ He's a member of a national socialist group on deviantart

 

[Winterfart]

I'm personally done with that subject.
I also stalked him on reddit and youtube (thanks to your link) and he's a genuine neo-nazi. Not a 18 years old 4chan's edgelord troll who act like a little sociopath over the internet because he's bored, unhappy and unfuckable.
Those are plenty but inoffensive because they're a bunch of incapable.

Not him, he's an invested and convinced old school neo-nazi and I'm done with him and everything related to him.

Games are supposed to be a joyfull thing, so I'll put my focus on other projects.

 

[wolfgrimdark]

Depends on the person I would say. I know I don't support things in certain situations. For example there is an author who donates a lot of money from their sales to a cause I find deplorable. I no longer buy their books. It gets more vague when it isn't an individual and a company or large group of individuals. But for me personally if I know my money might support someone, or a cause, that I am very much against, I won't support it. Especially when it comes to entertainment. If it comes down to things essential for survival then it becomes a much harder situation.

 

[Wisdom]

Don't care in the slightest about his personal beliefs.
Make a good product.

 

[daveyd]

My wife is Jewish. Both my grandfathers served in the US Army during WW2. I have many friends and co-workers of various racial and ethnic backgrounds. You wouldn't guess it by looking at me (I'm a pale white guy), but going back several generations I have Native American blood on my father's side. I could probably be considered left, if not "far left" in my political views on virtually every issue. Simply put, I fucking hate Nazis.

But I also very much dislike McCarthyist-esque blacklisting. So if you're going to call someone a Nazi and treat them with the disdain that a Nazi rightly deserves, you have to be damn sure. RPGCodex has a troll as their mascot for a reason. It's very hard to take anything anyone says there seriously (beyond whether or not they like a particular RPG). I have an account there but am not nearly as active there as here and steer clear of political discussions. There is certainly a conservative / right-wing political tendency there, just as there's a left / liberal slant here… Or as I generally describe it, "RPGCodex is a site where the members have pretty great taste in video games, but pretty much lack taste in anything else". I have a pretty dark sense of humor myself and often politically incorrect, but I also don't find racist, homophobic, or sexist jokes funny. But you know, I can watch and laugh at stuff like South park and often make morbid jokes about wanting to kill someone I find annoying..

Anyway, I skimmed JarlFrank's reddit, but seemed to mostly be posts about writing and RPGs… Saw one thing about Fascism. I don't know… I appreciate what Hobgoblin said in the news thread. It's possible the guy just has a whacked sense of humor or maybe he actually holds some disgusting views. He's probably very far to the right of someone like me, but a Nazi? I don't know, can't say I've ever really paid much attention to him before today.

So to the question at hand. I buy games because I support the game as a form of entertainment (or art) that I enjoy and want to see more of… I generally don't know the political views of the developers / artists I support, nor do I really care much, because it's the artwork I'm supporting…

If this game looks like something I would enjoy, then I'll likely back / pre-order it because I want more RPGs like it to be made…. To be honest, this rumor has dampened my enthusiasm somewhat, but as long as I don't get a sense that this game has an sort of overtly bigoted themes* (which would certainly be a dealbreaker for me), then I'm comfortable that a small chunk of my money goes to someone who might have some really gross personal views. You can always hope that someone changes and grows as a person through life experiences.

*And I am sure this will not be the case. Hobgoblin42 seems like a really nice guy (been following and interacting with him since the Chaos Chronicles days) and Guido Henkel is definitely not a Nazi sympathizer (just look at his twitter feed

I totally respect the viewpoint of anyone who doesn't want to support a developer / artist who has abhorrent views, I just don't necessarily agree with that. Do what feels right for you, of course, but I'm going to do what feels right for me.

 

[Winterfart]

Pretty interesting read, but that:

But I also very much dislike McCarthyist-esque blacklisting. So if you're going to call someone a Nazi and treat them with the disdain that a Nazi rightly deserves, you have to be damn sure.

That's bullshits!
Nobody here is trying to execute the guy Roseinberg's style. Just want the situation to be cleared.
As for the doubts, that's very generous of you to be concerned about the reputation of a guy who like to openly posting swastikas and jokes about the holocaust.

Also, keep in mind that despite your interesting background, I don't think you can fully understand the trauma and shame nazism and neo-nazism conveys for European people. It's even worst for Jewish people (well, not the shame part).

Maybe you should ask your wife what she thinks about the present issue, and how much she would appreciate to know that you play a game written by a guy who loves to defend nazis, the third reich and their actions (jockingly or not, it doesn't make a god damn difference!).
I'm not trying to be a dick here, seriously, ask her…


I keep saying that I'm done whit that story, so this time I'M DONE! (I hope)

EDIT: and yeah, Guido is cool, no problem with him. And apparently Hobs is cool too.

 

[Couchpotato]

Don't care in the slightest about his personal beliefs.
Make a good product.

Amen but in today's gaming culture you cant.

I only care about the end product.

@Myrthos please move this to the political forum.

Update: He has two threads discussing this already.

 

[Winterfart]

Amen but in today's gaming culture you cant.

Dude, you keep posting on the thread "gaming bullshit…".
But apparently, politic is the only one of those "bullshits" that one can't react to…

But nevermind, I get it, apathy is the norm nowaday.
I will conform to it myself, it's seems too convenient to be ignored.


Blip blop…. "Doesn't look like anything to me".

 

[Couchpotato]

Yeah but my posts in that topic call out the Media/SJW's who get offended, and make controversy's everyday. Feel free to get offended over someone else's personal life.

As others have said already the end product is I care about.

 

[Winterfart]

Yeah but my posts in that topic call out the Media/SJW's who get offended, and make controversy's everyday.

So you're offended that those people are offended? That's kind of fair...

Feel free to get offended over someone else's personal life.

Nazis are not "someone else". They're just scum. I liked them scared and silenced (or dead, but they can hide pretty well).
I don't give a shit about most things, but those guys are my limit.

Feel free to get offended about my personal life and choice to get offended by nazism.

 

[purpleblob]

So you're offended that those people are offended? That's kind of fair…


Nazis are not "someone else". They're just scum. I liked them scared and silenced (or dead, but they can hide pretty well).
I don't give a shit about most things, but those guys are my limit.

Feel free to get offended about my personal life and choice to get offended by nazism.

Sorry but what you said doesnt sound much different to what Nazis said....

 

[Couchpotato]

Yeah but nobody knows what a real Nazi is anymore. Also this word is thrown around social media for anyone who has a different belief over what the mob deems offensive.

Update: Last reply for this thread as I foresee nothing good.

 

[Winterfart]

Sorry but what you said doesnt sound much different to what Nazis said….

Sorry but I don't give a shit.
Being intolerant with neo-nazi is right, there's nothing you can say to change my mind about that.

 

[Copper Coin]

But I also very much dislike McCarthyist-esque blacklisting. So if you're going to call someone a Nazi and treat them with the disdain that a Nazi rightly deserves, you have to be damn sure.

- He has swatsikas on his profile

- He has dozens of posts about cultural homogeneity on reddit

- He playlists videos of nazi rallies and white nationalist bands on youtube

- He's apart of a group that believes in the "restoration of the german empire"

- Oh, almost forgot. He explicitly identifies as one. Yeah, I know the codex is known for trolling, but it's also a place where actual nazis feel comfortable being themselves.

So don't give me this bullshit about him not being a nazi. He is one. End of story.

Edit: https://www.deviantart.com/8nationalsocialism8/modals/memberlist/ #53

 

[Copper Coin]

Sorry but what you said doesnt sound much different to what Nazis said….

Shove off with your false equivalencies. There's obviously a difference between nazis calling people scum because they were born with different genes, and him calling nazis scum for believing people with different genes should be exterminated.

 

[Winterfart]

Yeah but nobody knows what a real Nazi is anymore.

You Americans sure don't.
I'm not talking about US alt-right, kekistan's kid, proud boys, The_Donald fans or other idiots. Those are just kids and trolls, they're a joke. They can freely express their nonsenses as much as they want, I don't care.

I'm talking about actual neo-nazi groups, those who exists for a long time in our european lattitudes: AG GGG, DA, FANE, COMBAT18, ect…

Just for fun, here's a picture of your american alt-right losers and cosplayers:

And here's a picture of the serious kind of people I'm talking about:

Those are real, organized, armed and blood thirsty pieces of shit who have been in activity since before you were born. They're dangerous criminal. I lost people to them.
Everything is not just an internet fighty fight, get a grip!

As for our charming friend the Jarl, contrary to a lot of you who are so eager to give him the benefit of the doubt and defend his honor, I don't.
He's a piece a shit, and I don't want see him being succesfull.

PS: I'm sorry for the others Ceres team members who seems to be okay and have excellent game design ideas, but next time, choose your collaborator more wisely.

 

[Copper Coin]

More proof he's a nazi -

https://www.deviantart.com/8nationalsocialism8/modals/memberlist/ #53

 

[Winterfart]

Couch' is right about one thing (and only one) though, that thread should be moved to a political thread. This is not "general RPG news" anymore, sadly…

 

[Cacheperl]

My question is, should this matter when deciding whether or not to back the game? I believe in supporting good RPGs, but not people that believe other races are inferior.

For myself, I certainly don't do a political background check before I buy or back a game. But if I know, it certainly makes me think twice. Games are not life essentials. I can be quite selective.

This issue is not limited to games. Whether I buy something is not just about the final product itself. How it was produced certainly matters. That's part of your power and responsibility as a customer. I agree that it is easier to not care about anything but the product. But that means you relinquish your power.


PS: I find some of the discussions on this topic quite ironic (not necessarily those in this thread). The same people who think it's ok that some baker does not sell to gay people are outraged if people have second thoughts about buying from a neo-nazi.

 

[AbounI]

@Winterfart; :
Can you please answer my MP. I need some clarifications on your position against RB now and if I can continue to believe in your offer concerning AoD FR translation there. Otherwise, that's what I would consider as a collateral damage, not because it would affect it ( I will accomplish it, no matter the conditons,) but because I am planning to translate RB in FR after this and I would need help there... But now, if you don't want to get on board, I would sadly understand. But still.