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sakichop
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Yes really.No, not really.
No, but irresponsible owning and use of a gun will KILL someone. Also, no matter how responsible you are - you can't be certain your children won't gain access to your weapons. We're human and we make mistakes.
That's why we shouldn't have access to guns.
not true, it will increase the chances but simple being irresponsible with a gun will not KILL someone.
I believe when I was looking on the cdc website it was 848 accidental deaths, so unless there are only 848 irresponsible gun owners in america??
Must be your fantasy world.
Hurt being a very relative term, sure. Like driving a car will pollute and so on. Do you own a car?
Are 443,000 deaths a year in the US alone relative enough?
Yes, but I've never stuck my mouth around the muffler and inhaled. Have you?
I couldn't find any hard numbers about deaths caused by vehicle exhausts. I saw estimates from 90 to 3500 a year. So, no I'd say smoking is nothing like car exhaust. If you'd like to check and bring some actual facts to the discussion your free to do so but throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks is a waste of time.
Anyway, smoking is about addiction and addiction is about doing something against your own best interests.
Yes it is, Thank you. Unfortunately that doesn't make it any healthier.
Stop imagining things.
The majority was right behind SamX and his post. The reason I didn't like it - was because of how he correlated the bad and harmful habit of smoking with the personality of the people who're addicted to it.
I'm against smoking and everything that will harm people without benefit outweighing harm.
It will never be a fact because you call it a fact.
Every number I posted was from the CDC as I said. I didn't pull numbers from my ass. If you have a problem with them or they don't jive with the extensive research and testing i'm sure you've done then please by all mean take it up with the CDC.
When people claim I have no problem with people dying - I respond negatively. Compared to that claim, I think I was being very mild.
Could you point out who around here said you were fine with deaths caused by smoking?
Ok, so stop spouting your bullshit and read what's written instead.
You see, words have a meaning - and you should know what you're accusing people of.
Yes words do have meaning and you should read them.
I never mentioned you, your post, wasn't thinking about you and didn't have any problems with your previous posts. I even went as far as quoting the person I was posting to. If you don't fit the description of the type of person I was posting about then there is no reason to get all worked up and post that you are not that kind of person.
So, if you in any way think I was talking about you then that's on you.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Smoking has been a growing concern worldwide for many, many years.
It's a constant concern.
Gun violence is the rage now because of how many sickening incidents we've seen in recent years.
You're using your fantasy scenarios as some kind of reality. Millions of people are very, very concerned with how smoking harms people.
Yes concerned, not outraged like they are about guns.
But it has been a freedom so far - and you can't expect people to just appreciate having that taken away - regardless of your own position on smoking.
So have guns,you already stated in another thread that people should give them up for the greater good.
Why can't we expect the same from smokers? Yes I know addiction (blah, blah,blah) No one said doing whats right for the greater good would be easy.
Have I claimed otherwise? No, and you can't point it out either. So stop this fantasy crap - it's annoying.
That was just a point. I never claimed you said otherwise. That would be your fantasy crap and yes it is annoying.
I have a problem with you claiming people don't care about how people are dying from smoke.
Just because we're discussing gun control doesn't mean we forget everything else. You're like DTE when you can't separate issues.
Actually we were talking about smoking then zahratustra brought up guns and I asked him a question about it and then you exploded.
I can be very anti-smoking and yet understand the nature of addiction, and my entire point - all the way - has been that you can't correlate smoking with a defective personality. We're all subject to bad habits and we all behave in a way that's harmful to other people. That's my point.
I have no problem with that point and never questioned you about it.
It has nothing to do with defending smoking - but clarifying that the problem isn't defective people or "bad people". It's the universal weakness of human nature - and we're ALL subject to that.
I don't think all smokers are bad, just that smoking is.
THAT and only that was my problem with SamX's ludicrous and ignorant post.
Ok but I don't ever remember asking you what your problem with his post was.
Also, you could have just wrote:
THAT and only that was my problem with SamX's post.