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I re-watched Clueless the other night, I don't recall when I last viewed it, might have been in a theatre when it first came out. Still funny as all heck, one of those movies that keeps me chuckling the whole time!
Watched some of Borat 2 and I think it's somewhat inferior to the first. Lots of sighing moments though…
It also pushes some false political information, but whatever. It makes fun of Trump and him caging imigrants, with no mention that the same cages were put in place by Obama. Anyways, I've got no skin in that game, but would be better not push false information. There's enough stuff to be critical of Trump without making stuff up.
It's not pushing anything. It's satire. What exactly did it show that was false?
She’s right that Trump’s now-suspended policy at the U.S.-Mexico border separated thousands of children from their families in ways that had not been done before. But what she did not say is that the very same “cages� were built and used in her husband’s administration, for the same purpose of holding migrant kids temporarily.
Exactly what I said above. It made a parallel between him locking his daughter up in a cage, to what Trump did with locking up kids in cages. Which is fine. Trump did do that. But it also just pushed the mainstream narrative by omiting to mention who built those cages initially. The Obama administration.
Exactly what I said above. It made a parallel between him locking his daughter up in a cage, to what Trump did with locking up kids in cages. Which is fine. Trump did do that. But it also just pushed the mainstream narrative by omiting to mention who built those cages initially. The Obama administration.
What doesn't sit right with me is the lack of analysis into what the previous administration/s (Obama and Clinton especially) did to contribute to the system that ended up spewing a demagog like Trump.
It doesn't have the impact of the first, but that's mainly because back in the naive days of 2006, we were shocked by the attitudes he exposed in America. These days, one thinks, "Yep, that's about right."
I think, though, that's slightly misleading in itself. The "cages" were constructed in an emergency situation, during a huge influx of migrants. They held the migrants in warehouses while their cases were processed, and the chainlink fences were to keep the demographics separated for safety - unaccompanied children had to be separated from groups of men, with another area for families. Unaccompanied children were required to be released to social services within 72 hours. So, I think a reasonable person can understand those measures in response to a sudden crisis. But the new administration decided to deliberately separate the children from their families, and detain them alone. So, I would say there is a fundamental difference there, and the idea of putting kids in cages arose because of the intentional nature of the policy, as opposed to keeping unaccompanied children safe for 72 hours. I think the intent makes the difference between a fence and a cage.
I think Ripper summed up the facts pretty well.
Plus, you're attempting to apply some really strange logic here. Did he specifically say the cages didn't exist previously? Then how is he spreading misinformation?
How about you provide that analysis for the rest of us?
(In the P&R thread, not here)
I'm no fan of the bullshit going on in the United States of Ignorance, but can we keep political discussions to the political forum, if not at least a separate thread?
So there is no spreading of misinformation when you only give part of the context?
Lol…we're talking about comedy here. Since when do comedians have to give a history lesson every time they make a joke? If his material really triggers you that much, I suggest you skip it in the future.
No, I don't think that's it at all. I think it's more the fact that the novelty of Borat has simply worn off. There wasn't anything he could do to really shock us after the first movie.
As far as the attitudes he exposed, let's not pretend those don't exists everywhere. He didn't randomly choose the people he spoofed, and the people he chose certainly don't represent the majority of Americans. He specifically targeted the dumb ones. He could just as easily do that in the UK or anywhere else.