13 year old dad....

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dteowner said:
You know, the thing that always amazed me about this sort of thing is the logistics of it. Where in the hell do 13 and 15 year olds go to have sex? Geez, I had a hard enough time finding a private spot in college, when I was out of the house and had a car.
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Well, the most obvious place for me would be their room when their parents are away. Seems no mystery to me, it's not like a 13 years old need a babysitter anymore.
 
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I guess I didn't get that much unsupervised time back in the day. Even if Mom and Dad were out, there were plenty of neighbors that would have noted repeated visits from any young ladies and ratted me out in a heartbeat. It's not like that sort of thing stays secret at school anyway. The rumor mill would have gotten a juicy story like that back to my parents in no time.
 
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That kid will be my age when the child is grown up and ready to leave home. I don't see the problem - and I know who to call for advice on raising children when I get around to it.

I should probably start by finding myself a new fertile female.

Let me know if you encounter something like that :)
 
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The article is written by "aftonbladet". The level of honesty and intelligence on that paper is to be compared with a brood of vipers, which have to be in consideration wether one agree with them or not.
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The point is the source of the study, it was a study made by the swedish gouverment and the actual numbers are based on that study, these numbers are correctly published. Why would they take the numbers from a research conducted by the swedish gouverment, and change these numbers, and after that publish the research as the source ?!?!?!

Either way as I said earlier I used this source since I could not find the original study which I have taken part of, availiable online.

http://www.fhi.se/shop/show_abstract.asp?ID=2136

for the 1996 data.

Online grooming is another thing which definetely reduced the age.
 
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GothicGothicness said:
Why would they take the numbers from a research conducted by the swedish gouverment, and change these numbers, and after that publish the research as the source ?!?!?!
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Because aftonbladet do not have the intellectual capacity to understand the source. It might ofcourse be fine, but as a reader one is forced to take the extra walk and check it first.
 
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GothicGothicness said:
Online grooming is another thing which definetely reduced the age.
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Do you have some basis for this claim, or are you just making it up? I'd be rather surprised to find that online grooming is common enough to show up in these statistics.
 
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Completely anecdotal comment. My former business partner was a generation older than me. His stories of the 60's would make your hair curl - far, far, far more interesting than my experiences in the 70s-80s. In other words, it might be on the increase at the moment but a comparison to other time frames would be interesting.
 
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Completely anecdotal comment. My former business partner was a generation older than me. His stories of the 60's would make your hair curl - far, far, far more interesting than my experiences in the 70s-80s. In other words, it might be on the increase at the moment but a comparison to other time frames would be interesting.
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I do think you have a point Dhruin, it would be very intressing to compare it to the 60's I will see whatever there is any statistics on the 60's in our archieves. Sweden loves statistics so we might have some,,,, on the other hand at that time people were more carefree and not so into statistics as now.

Do you have some basis for this claim, or are you just making it up? I'd be rather surprised to find that online grooming is common enough to show up in these statistics.
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Since the the study only had around 6000 people, maybe not in that study. They should have a question specifically about this.

JemyM is going to kill me for using this source again, but it is so easy to find on google, I had to dig a lot to find the other link ( but it is also based on a research):

http://www.aftonbladet.se/wendela/article4219692.ab

These are very sad numbers, even more sad is the fact that it takes about 10 seconds to be contacted by a man if you enter a young age and sign up to any of the online communieties, sure a lot of girls are smart enough to not fall for these, but some also fall into the traps, it is very hard to tell exactly how many since most will not admit it to anyone. You could try this one yourself sign up to a swedish community with the name of Sarah 13, and see how long it takes ( sad but true ).

But to meet on internet and have sex, especially for young people is a very strong trend here, if the boy is 18-20 and the girl is 12-14 I guess it would not pass as grooming though.

I will try to dig up some online numbers for these also.
 
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Dhruin said:
... His stories of the 60's would make your hair curl - far, far, far more interesting than my experiences in the 70s-80s. ....
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I born in the early 70s; too bad missed the hippies parties of getting stoned or do the sex revolution, and instead stuck with Michael Jackson (now Jacko the physco:() with his breakdancing in the 80s. :p
 
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I would assume the (unusually large) group that didnt answer the survey questions might have a somewhat different distribution when it comes to sexual experience than those who did:p

And I doubt online grooming makes all that much of a difference. There is a difference between the statistic aftonbladet presents (unwanted verbal sexual attention) and actually moving on to physical activity.

1) How many actually go through and meet people they've chatted with online, and how many of these contacts are "normal" and could have occured after a school party or such back in the day?
2) Even before internet there were channels for this kind of stuff...

At any rate it is very hard to separate what is an underlying trend (if there is any) and normal oscillations in behaviour (I sometimes get the feeling that kids take pleasure in doing the opposite of what the grownups preach). Drug use statistics present similar interpretation problems and are also usually too difficult for media to handle properly:p
 
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I would assume the (unusually large) group that didnt answer the survey questions might have a somewhat different distribution when it comes to sexual experience than those who did
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Indeed but it would be the same for the 1996 and the 2008 studies?

And I doubt online grooming makes all that much of a difference. There is a difference between the statistic aftonbladet presents (unwanted verbal sexual attention) and actually moving on to physical activity.
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Hard to say, but the ease of meeting a sex partner on internet, and the difficulty of having any type of control, is sure to contribute.


At any rate it is very hard to separate what is an underlying trend (if there is any) and normal oscillations in behaviour (I sometimes get the feeling that kids take pleasure in doing the opposite of what the grownups preach). Drug use statistics present similar interpretation problems and are also usually too difficult for media to handle properly
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I agree with you here, it is hard to know, and impossible to prove, so I cannot present it as anything else as my own theory based on recent statistics. It might very well be I am way off.......
 
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Children will experiment wist sex. They did that for ages and will continue doing that for ages as well. This has shifted to experimenting via the internet next to real life experimenting.
In essence there is nothing wrong with that. It belongs to growing up and thus I don't belief their behavior is different from previous generations.
Thinking you can prevent this by preaching/teaching abstinence and forbidding them to have these experiments has been proven to be a failure.
The only way to have a chance of children to safely go through these experiments is to educate them on how they can handle it. I'm aware this is not easy but I think there are statistics out there that show that children with a decent sex education (beyond the strictly technical part of it) and having an environment where the subject can always be discussed will engage in sex at a later age and more safely.
So simply put: You can not stop children from having sex, so as a parent you better educate them properly.
 
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Myrthos said:
Children will experiment wist sex. They did that for ages and will continue doing that for ages as well. This has shifted to experimenting via the internet next to real life experimenting.
In essence there is nothing wrong with that. It belongs to growing up and thus I don't belief their behavior is different from previous generations.
Thinking you can prevent this by preaching/teaching abstinence and forbidding them to have these experiments has been proven to be a failure.
The only way to have a chance of children to safely go through these experiments is to educate them on how they can handle it. I'm aware this is not easy but I think there are statistics out there that show that children with a decent sex education (beyond the strictly technical part of it) and having an environment where the subject can always be discussed will engage in sex at a later age and more safely.
So simply put: You can not stop children from having sex, so as a parent you better educate them properly.
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I would have to concur ;)
 
Children will experiment wist sex. They did that for ages and will continue doing that for ages as well. This has shifted to experimenting via the internet next to real life experimenting.
In essence there is nothing wrong with that. It belongs to growing up and thus I don't belief their behavior is different from previous generations.
Thinking you can prevent this by preaching/teaching abstinence and forbidding them to have these experiments has been proven to be a failure.
The only way to have a chance of children to safely go through these experiments is to educate them on how they can handle it. I'm aware this is not easy but I think there are statistics out there that show that children with a decent sex education (beyond the strictly technical part of it) and having an environment where the subject can always be discussed will engage in sex at a later age and more safely.
So simply put: You can not stop children from having sex, so as a parent you better educate them properly.
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Well said! Sex education is very important, and it caused many great problems that they did not have one in china.

Indeed the best way is to inform and educate? but the children are also educated by what they read, see on TV and read/watch on internet? etc, like sex with multiple partners, people they don't know, etc etc. Having unprotected sex ( no condoms is not popular in porn movies or material displaying sex ) in young ages.

The amount of sex disease has also increased grealy to go a long with these numbers, again it might be the amount of sex related disease was just as much in 1900, but we do not have any numbers of that, and somehow I doubt it.

This is just the trend between 1996 and 2008.

In fact there are still countries with a virgin culture and if you are not a virgin for marriage, you might have your head chopped off ( I am strongly against this )

Sex that both sides engage in willingly and is well protected, is fine by me.
 
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I have read the same article in a Belgian newspaper.

It also said there were 2 boys: one 16 and one 14 that contested the fatherhood and said they slept with the little "s**t".

But worst of all: if the 13 year old really is the father. The parenst are proud and are also making a lot of money out of it :s

that is just awfull.
 
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I also saw this case on TV few days ago... I was like whaa??
 
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It is blatantly obvious that the 13 year old is not the father, the whole setup is a scam to make money.

Non-the-less, i have enjoyed reading this thread, it has been very educational.
 
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Wulf said:
It is blatantly obvious that the 13 year old is not the father, the whole setup is a scam to make money.

Non-the-less, i have enjoyed reading this thread, it has been very educational.
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I haven't followed this anywhere other than this thread, but I'm intrigued: how do you know?
 
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