Cyberpunk 2077 - Gamescom Gameplay Video

Some enemies in the video take almost a full magazine of ammunition in the head before dying, and that's just what seems like low level gameplay. Yes, there's bullet sponge.

This is my biggest concern right now. The division was the same way and it killed the game for me.

I get they’re trying to incorporate rpg mechanics and give enemies HP but headshots should be a kill. I suppose they could have helmets that would allow 2-3 shots but not several shots.

It’s kind of funny because I have no problem having to hit an enemy with a sword 10-15 times to kill him but for whatever reason when it’s bullets it really bothers me.
 
This is my biggest concern right now. The division was the same way and it killed the game for me.

I get they’re trying to incorporate rpg mechanics and give enemies HP but headshots should be a kill. I suppose they could have helmets that would allow 2-3 shots but not several shots.

It’s kind of funny because I have no problem having to hit an enemy with a sword 10-15 times to kill him but for whatever reason when it’s bullets it really bothers me.

Do you want to die immediately if someone hits you in the head once or twice? I agree that headshots should cause more damage, but it shouldn't IMO play like a shooter. It should play like an RPG with guns.
 
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Believe what you want, but the proof is in the 50 minute gameplay. This is a streamlined ARPG with looter-shooter inspired combat. It looks and plays nothing like the Cyberpunk 2020 P&P game that it's based on. This is an FPS first and RPG second.

Again...and pay attention this time ( I won't repeat myself endlessly here)...these are direct statements from developers who are working on the game.
If you have any inside/direct knowledge of this, post it directly.
This video showed only one aspect of gameplay( mostly shooting/world/some of dialogue/one quest path/.etc).
The reason they didn't show others is because the game is not even in alpha, and they are still implementing/balancing their systems.

Back to this, there was a recent interview by one of CDPR's moderators
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Q: How do skills and stats work in CP2077? I.e. How does a gun skill affect shooting, how does hacking skill affect hacking, how do stats affect V and his/her mobility and activities, etc - are there RNG checks for anything (i.e. proper skilltests), or just hard thresholds (skill level 1 + task level 2 = can't pass)?

Phillipp Weber: Actually we have that in a very, very broad sense in that we actually have many different versions of progression, we have classical attributes where you get experience and you can level up and then spend those points on attributes like strength and so on. These attributes can also change depending on what cyberware you use, but cyberware can also change other things, an example being the mantis blades with which you get an entirely new ability to use.

You also have street cred, you can get it from doing various things like side quests and so on, you will get it where it makes sense to get street cred. To use the demo as an example you have Dexter Deshawn, he is a fixer, if you start doing contracts for him you get street cred, people start learning your name, and this could unlock higher level fixers that give you more dangerous jobs that yield more rewards. It can also give you access to higher class vendors and so on.

Kyle Rowley: The general progression system is very much a work in progress. The way it works now is that V has attributes and skills, skills are things like long gun, short gun, hacking, engineering etc. Skills have levels that you gain by doing actions. So the more I use a long gun, the more I get good at long guns. They are gated by attributes, so a certain attribute level is needed to gain a certain skill. Skills affect handling of weapons, so the higher my skill in long gun the higher my handling is of rifles, for example. This is in addition to things like certain weapon modules and attachments that also affect handling and so on. We also do skill checks like hacking and engineering on interactions in the game. So using the demo as an example, you had the engineering skill check, so you'd actually need a certain level of engineering to override certain devices.

In the demo we also showed you using an NPC to access a network, it's called breaching a network. So when you plug into an NPC or what we call access points then you are able to interact with systems inside that network. So these will be gated by your hacking skill, if I'm a competent netrunner then I can plug in into specific NPCs around the game and access the networks they are associated with.

Q: How do smart guns work specifically and how do the characters shooting skills and other possible stats and abilities affect that (if at all)?

Are they just an auto-hit crutch to simplify combat, or will they have a more "RPG-like" implementation (i.e. hit chances based on a number of factors like skill, focus, range, visibility...)

PW: While we are still balancing all of this the general idea is that there will be a trade-off, so a weapon that requires aim will generally do more damage compared to a weapon that has smart aim.

In one sentence I would say that we want to deliver the full RPG experience while polishing the shooting aspect so that it feels just right.

KR: In order to actually use smart guns you will need a specific connection to the gun via a piece of cyberware that will unlock the ability to use the targeting system that will actually multi-highlight the enemies, so when you pull the trigger the bullets track them. The player's actual skills do not affect the smart weapon technology at all, it's all based on the gun. The targeting system itself is from an eye augment so that is what unlocks the bullet tracking, but how efficient it is at tracking is based on the weapon, not the player skill.

The way the weapons work now, obviously this is all very much work in progress so anything can change, but what we have right now are pistols, shotguns, rifles - they can be either Tech or Street. A large percentage of those weapons can fit modules that can change they way they handle, those modules being Tech, Smart or Power. So I can aquire a Tech pistol but I can replace the module so it can become a Power or Smart pistol. Gameplay mechanics can change based on what modules you pick and modules will also have rarities attached to them as well.

In the demo you saw a Corporate smart rifle, while these have less modability they are generally more powerful. So these are dedicated weapons for a specific type of gameplay.

Q: Empathy and Attractiveness stats are apparently cut. Is there any sort of mechanics to replace them, are there any other social stats and skills, and if yes, how do they work?

PW: I actually don't know if certain skills were cut or not, because that is still something that is very much in flux, the list of skills is not final. So if we think that a certain skill will help us in one way or another then we will add it. It is too early to say that a certain skill is cut or something replaces it entirely.

Q: How much skill checks can be found in the environment - mundane and more important ones? Or in other words, how much interactivity does the city contain and how much does the character build play into it all?

KR: So the way we have it set up right now is that for a quest you have a critical path. Because it is a roleplaying game we do not know what skill a player has picked or what skill level they are currently. So in terms of designing a quest we have a main path, for this path we know a player will a specific type of skill because at certain points in the story we force players to visit ripper docs to attain specific cyberware. We then have optional side content for quests or shortcuts that are rewarded for having a certain skill, even for the critical path of a quest. As long as we have one way through that is not gated by specific skill checks then we will make it so that you can play around and solve problems based on your skills around that.

Q: Where does double jump fit in relation to a certain class?

PW: I would suspect somewhere in the solo area. We can have strong solos, if you want to make them kinda tanky with big weapons, you can also have a character that you want to be more like the major from Ghost in the Shell, basically a cyberninja, there are skills for that as well.

Q: Would you be able to go deeper on how the skill tree might look like?

PW: The actual shape of skill progression is still something that is in full development, what we know is that there are the 3 directions that you can take. The Solo direction, the Netrunner direction and the Techie direction. Compared to the Witcher we have much more freedom on what these skills can do and how varied they can be, in Witcher 3 all the skills had to make sense to what Geralt, a witcher, can do. Having this freedom also means that now we can solve quests in many more different ways.

Q: In what ways can random AI pedestrians be interacted with other than possibly killing them or bumping into them?

PW: I mean, just like in the Witcher, they can bump into you, they'll have something to say, they react to the day/night cycle, different weather conditions. If you shoot your gun in the city a lot of the normal NPCs will probably run away in fear, meanwhile you someone like a gang member will react a bit differently to those sort of actions.

Q: Can the player kill all NPCs? If not, all unessential NPCs?

PW: No, we would like to tell a very good story and our stories have always been very character driven, so some NPCs have to be essential to the story that we are telling.

Q: How many dialog options are visible at most at a time, and do stats and skills affect them in any way?

PW: It really depends as we have a very dynamic dialogue system. So you can have different dialogue options depending on the character you play. As an example, if I am now talking to you and you have a camera there and I notice I am being filmed, then maybe I would now look at the camera and another dialogue option would actually pop up there. The conversation would shift to the camera where I would ask "Oh am I being filmed?!" and when the conversation shifts back maybe another dialogue option would have appeared.

The quest, writing and cinematic teams are working really hard on these scenes and we're trying really hard to make them as dynamic as possible. Another example would be that if you go further into, let's say, being a netrunner and you have a lot of netrunner knowledge, then a new dialogue option might pop up. But usually we like to hide the numbers behind things like that so it feels more natural, so usually we would also not want to show the option to you if it's not available to you at that specific time. This is all something we're still toying around with so it is not final obviously.

Q: Will there be non-lethal weapons?

PW: That's a good question, I think that if it makes sense for the situation then yes. Speaking as a quest designer I want to say that if you choose to resolve a situation in a non-lethal way then I might want something else that is interesting to happen, just so you don't think you're missing out. Maybe something that builds towards those types of strengths, so maybe an additional conversation or something along those lines.

But Cyberpunk is a brutal world so you will definitely have to fight in the game, you will not finish the whole game without killing.

Q: Can we still access the character creator once we are in the game?

PW: It is something that is not decided yet, but given the lore of the game I would not see an issue with being able to go to a ripper doc and doing something like that.

Q: Are there subtle augs that allow you to upgrade yourself while still looking fully human?

PW: I mean you have cheap cyberware and then you have cyberware like Real Skin in Cyperbunk 2020. But a thing in the world of Cyberpunk is that it's actually not cool to not be augmented. Cyberware for people isn't a tool, cyberware for people is a fashion statement, a way of life, like a smart phone of Adidas shoes.

There are, of course, also people that do not have augmentations, for example the taxi driver from the trailer looks like someone of the Sikh faith, so part of their religion would be not to necessarily have cyberware in their body.

Q: Do quests have fail states?

PW: Yes, you can fail quests. What we don't have however is a game over state, the only game over that you will get is when you die. So when you fail a quest then it's now part of the story, you have to deal with the consequences.

Q: Will romance options be with only select characters or will I be able to walk up randomly to anyone in the street and start a romance with them?

PW: Romance options are very much treated like in the Witcher 3. Aside from one night stands, we want the romances in the game to have well fleshed out characters and story behind them.
 
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I get they’re trying to incorporate rpg mechanics and give enemies HP but headshots should be a kill. I suppose they could have helmets that would allow 2-3 shots but not several shots.
That wouldn't work - especially for PC players with mice to aim with. Your aim would become far more important than your gun's stats. Throw that bullet-time drug out there and all you need is a pistol with a lot of ammo to take down an entire room of enemies.

That unreality has been the problem with hit points since day 1.
 
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Yeah, I do find bullet-sponginess is displeasing in an action shooter, whereas hitpoints in a more abstracted kind of RPG combat aren't a problem to me. In a shooter, I'd prefer the shots to be a bit more realistic, and have the challenge come from more lethal enemies with good AI, plausible defensive systems, etc.
 
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My opinions on the gameplay trailer (after watching it twice and a half).


- itemization and level system feels like they took TW3 systems and just ported it over, I wasn't a fan of it in TW3 personally

Are you sure about that? I've just checked the weapon comparisons and their ( damage) stats seem within close range.

Her "rare" pistol in apartment has 79 DPS points. Then you find an "uncommon" Blunderbuss shotgun with 90. Then "epic" smg ( smart gun) with 79 DPS.
At the end of the demo, V finds "rare" corporate tech rifle ( "top of the line weapon", by narrator) with 89. ( I'm not a fan of these labels though, but it seems more a matter of wording than itemization similar to Borderlands)

I won't list other stats ( damage per shot, accuracy, range, recoil, etc)…but it seems well within range of one another and with no "level" indications. Seems it's more a horizontal variation, based on secondary stats.

Also what he says above: "In the demo you saw a Corporate smart rifle, while these have less modability they are generally more powerful."

So it's a trade off, between raw power and customization. Seems instead of upgrade system, they are using weapon mods.

For bullet sponges, I didn't have a problem here. If ( standard enemy) takes a shotgun blast at close range and survives( Fallout 3/New Vegas/IV, Mass Effects, and Division in particular)…but that's clearly not the case here.
They definitely haven't even started with balancing, but I was more surprised how quickly it went( tbh, I expected a lot longer fights)
 
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Do you want to die immediately if someone hits you in the head once or twice? I agree that headshots should cause more damage, but it shouldn't IMO play like a shooter. It should play like an RPG with guns.

I wouldn’t have a problem with that, but I realized most gamers would be resistant to that. I supposed they could just not have enemies get headshots on the player character. Similar to when they have 1 shot stealth kills in some games

That wouldn't work - especially for PC players with mice to aim with. Your aim would become far more important than your gun's stats. Throw that bullet-time drug out there and all you need is a pistol with a lot of ammo to take down an entire room of enemies.

That unreality has been the problem with hit points since day 1.

It worked in fear and other shooters. It could be managed by limiting bullet time so you wouldn’t have time to clear an entire room. Have helmets that take 2-3 shots or even robotic enemies that could take more shots. I assume that’s a thing in cyberpunk?

Yeah, I do find bullet-sponginess is displeasing in an action shooter, whereas hitpoints in a more abstracted kind of RPG combat aren't a problem to me. In a shooter, I'd prefer the shots to be a bit more realistic, and have the challenge come from more lethal enemies with good AI, plausible defensive systems, etc.

Exactly what I meant but worded better.
 
Okay, not into cyberpunk at all. Not really into futuristic mumbo jumbo techno-jargon. I was still very impressed with the vid. It felt like a more mature Deus Ex. Not sure if I'll get the game, but that will mostly depend on how well stealth is implemented. I never play a guns blazing role, so there needs to be a more covert option for me to have any interest. The pieces sure look like they exist. I was very interested in the spider, the hacking, and some of the implants. Good stuff!
 
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Do you want to die immediately if someone hits you in the head once or twice?

That's how it is in Cyberpunk 2020. Combat is quick and deadly, and should be avoided.

It feels like CDPR didn't do any research on the P&P game and are just using its name for oldschool points. Kind of like what Bethesda did to Fallout.
 
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Sorry, but I just don't see the bullet sponge complaint here.

First, these aren't normal people you're facing. They're cybernetically enhanced and significantly so. I wouldn't expect them to go down in three or four shots.

Second, I get that people want things to be "realistic", but being realistic doesn't always make it a better gaming experience. Plus, if you're looking for a realism here, you're looking in the wrong place. This isn't a game based on realistic things to begin with.

In addition to that, I want enemies to feel worthwhile. I'd rather they be able to take a little punishment before going down even at the cost of realism. I don't want them to feel like cannon fodder.
 
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For me, it's more a "feel" thing, not a thirst for rigid realism. If I've got first person gunplay, I just prefer a more lethal feel to the shots, and I don't like pumping bullets into targets and watching a health bar go down. It's just a personal preference, not a criticism that the game "ought" to be more realistic.
 
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That's how it is in Cyberpunk 2020. Combat is quick and deadly, and should be avoided.

It feels like CDPR didn't do any research on the P&P game and are just using its name for oldschool points. Kind of like what Bethesda did to Fallout.

Cool, but this isn't a PnP game.

How many times are you going to repeat the same things?
 
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Then why the hell are they licensing a P&P game if they're just going to ignore it?

They're perverting its name for oldschool points like Bethesda did with Fallout.
 
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You should mention Bethesda and Fallout again. I don't think everyone saw the first four or five times you said it. :)

I mean, it's not like you're turning this into a crusade or anything. ;)
 
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I like to repeat myself until I feel my the point is understood.

This is not Cyberpunk 2020 in the slightest, and I resent the use of its name. It's okay to like it anyways, but understand why people wanting a real P&P like experience would be disappointed. Much in the same way classic Fallout fans were let down by Fallout 3 + 4.
 
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That's how it is in Cyberpunk 2020. Combat is quick and deadly, and should be avoided.

It feels like CDPR didn't do any research on the P&P game and are just using its name for oldschool points. Kind of like what Bethesda did to Fallout.

You're hopeless. I guess their Mike Pondsmith is an animatronic replica and the interview posted earlier is all lies intended only to sway you from your righteousness. For your sake, I hope if and when you actually play the game you can let go of this bone.
 
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For me, it's more a "feel" thing, not a thirst for rigid realism. If I've got first person gunplay, I just prefer a more lethal feel to the shots, and I don't like pumping bullets into targets and watching a health bar go down. It's just a personal preference, not a criticism that the game "ought" to be more realistic.

Yeah, I can totally understand that. I just don't get some people acting like it's way over-the-top or something. We're not talking about jrpg level health here. Most of the enemies in the video go down fairly quickly, and some of them go down with one hit from that shotgun.

The only lengthy battle was the boss with all the armor and the shield, and even that wasn't very long compared to boss battles in many other games.
 
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Are you sure about that? I've just checked the weapon comparisons and their ( damage) stats seem within close range.

Her "rare" pistol in apartment has 79 DPS points. Then you find an "uncommon" Blunderbuss shotgun with 90. Then "epic" smg ( smart gun) with 79 DPS.
At the end of the demo, V finds "rare" corporate tech rifle ( "top of the line weapon", by narrator) with 89. ( I'm not a fan of these labels though, but it seems more a matter of wording than itemization similar to Borderlands)

I won't list other stats ( damage per shot, accuracy, range, recoil, etc)…but it seems well within range of one another and with no "level" indications. Seems it's more a horizontal variation, based on secondary stats.

The jacket is level 2, the pants are level 1. The gear level shows up next to where the item is slotted on the paperdoll. If the armor has level, the weapons probably do as well even if that's not shown. Also, the jacket has resistances to various stuff similar to the TW3 armors (just different type of damage than TW3).

There is none of that (level/various damage types with resistances) in the pnp, so that wasn't their inspiration for it.

The pnp has item rarities already, they could have used those labels. Saying that, a Kang Tao being epic, lol, they made cheap high availability weapon in 2020.

The weirdest thing though, is that they made the Kerenzikov neuralware augmentation with high humanity cost in the pnp, a temp drug in the game. I guess that's ammo for Silver Coin though…
 
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For me, it's more a "feel" thing, not a thirst for rigid realism. If I've got first person gunplay, I just prefer a more lethal feel to the shots, and I don't like pumping bullets into targets and watching a health bar go down. It's just a personal preference, not a criticism that the game "ought" to be more realistic.

Ripper, get out of my head.:p

Exactly how I feel about it, I’d just add that I prefer my difficulty to come from AI and level design rather than artificially inflating difficulty by enemies being able to withstand massive amounts of damage.
 
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