I wouldn't call any of the Fable games RPG-s. Quests and upgradeable stats alone don't make a game an RPG. I remember waiting for Project Ego and being really impressed by just about anything i read about it. When Fable finally shipped it was one of the biggest disappointments i have ever had with a game. Maybe only Gothic 3 and Oblivion come close.
Fable 3 - Not an RPG
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A streamlined adventure!The only problems that would arise would be if he didn't include any riddles … Because adventures have a long tradition to contain riddles.What is an adventure without riddles anyway ?
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Actually, Fable tends to have riddles - secret doors and what not that you can only open by solving various riddles. They're more a bonus than a requirement, but you can get some of the best items in the game there (in Fable 2, you can even get a very nice house by solving a riddle).
Besides, I don't see riddles as a requirement in adventure games. Well, I guess that depends on how to define a riddle. Does Leisure Suit Larry contain riddles?
Besides, I don't see riddles as a requirement in adventure games. Well, I guess that depends on how to define a riddle. Does Leisure Suit Larry contain riddles?
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A streamlined adventure!
The FUTURE of the Adventure Genre!
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The only riddle most gamers need is whether to use shotgun or assault rifle. Thats what next-gen adventures are all about.
Hardly. "Most" gamers don't even pick up games labelled "adventure game". It's not as if the genre is the latest and greatest among console gamers - there's a reason most RPGs that are actually closer to the adventure genre still get labelled "RPG".
I can't even remember the last time I played a game the general crowd considered an adventure game..
What titles would that be? We're talking about adventure games here, not RPGs.
I can't even remember the last time I played a game the general crowd considered an adventure game..
What titles would that be? We're talking about adventure games here, not RPGs.
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Zelda, Castlevania, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, God of War ... and so on are all considered action adventures ...
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I don't think he was referring to pure "adventure games" in that sense, but rather the broader definition of adventure/action/RPG.
I'm definetly not talking about next-gen action adventures - an "action adventure" can be anything. There's not a genre definition out there that's as wide as that one, nor do I see it as a possibility that such a wide genre can, in any way, degenerate. It already consists of every type of game imaginable.
Adventure, on the other hand, has remained fairly pure over the years, and I don't think Fable will change that. I also think Fable 3 suits the wide genre "action adventure" very well - it's not an RPG, but it's definetly in the same category as Zelda.
Adventure, on the other hand, has remained fairly pure over the years, and I don't think Fable will change that. I also think Fable 3 suits the wide genre "action adventure" very well - it's not an RPG, but it's definetly in the same category as Zelda.
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That's not what I consider an adventure game at all. I shudder when a reviewer or PR blurb calls something an adventure game while it's clearly not. Well, otherwise the definition has changed over the years, perhaps much like it appears to have with RPG games.
An RPG without combat still doesn't have the same kind of puzzles and inventory management. You have your adventure/RPG hybrids, like the Quest For Glory series, for that completely turns the feel around for me. Adventure games are that really laid back kind of game that have you walking around talking to characters, experiencing the story and *thinking*.
This is where I agree, but I realize that some RPG fans will look at it the same way as I look at adventure games. I can play a game like Mass Effect 2 and experience the same role-playing feel that I can with other, more traditional cRPG games. The combat and even the levelling system is actually secondary to me. I guess what appeals to me in RPG and adventure games are some of the same elements, but they are still very different games in terms of gameplay!
Which has nothing to do with adventure games to me!
You can't? You didn't pick up any of the Telltale adventure games like Sam & Max, Wallace & Gromit or Tales of Monkey Island?? I still have the finish the last two series, though. But they did already announce that more Sam & Max will arrive!
There really are plenty of quality adventure games being release, many more than I know of. Those guys are adventuregamers.com know all about it.
True, but they are still very much pure adventure games, and were picked up by the adventure game crowd, not the action-adventure-God-of-War crowd. Monkey Island is staying true to its roots in my opinion, and a good example of how well adventure games are doing. It also proves that there's no indication that "next gen adventure games" will be any different.
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Monkey island was nice suprise but I think most gamers still prefer the God-of-war / Batman arkham asylum way of adventure.
Allthough I guess there could be som exceptions like Alan Wake or Heavy Rain. It will be interesting to see how true they are to the adventure roots.
Allthough I guess there could be som exceptions like Alan Wake or Heavy Rain. It will be interesting to see how true they are to the adventure roots.
Alan Wake will be an action-adventure. I believe Heavy Rain will be too, although heavier on the adventure elements.
The last full game I played that I consider an adventure title was Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, which appeared at the tail end of the Xbox's lifecycle, 5 years ago. Since then, there have been no adventure games released on the 360. Not full games, anyhow. There have been a few XBL Arcade releases, like the remake of Secret of Monkey Island, Sam and Max, etc..
Seems like this Arcade system, at least on consoles, is probably the future for adventure gaming. Doubt we'll see any $60 releases. Console gamers just don't buy them.
The last full game I played that I consider an adventure title was Dreamfall: The Longest Journey, which appeared at the tail end of the Xbox's lifecycle, 5 years ago. Since then, there have been no adventure games released on the 360. Not full games, anyhow. There have been a few XBL Arcade releases, like the remake of Secret of Monkey Island, Sam and Max, etc..
Seems like this Arcade system, at least on consoles, is probably the future for adventure gaming. Doubt we'll see any $60 releases. Console gamers just don't buy them.
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Cool, because I enjoyed Indigo Prophecy. But I wouldn't dismiss Sam & Max, etc. on Xbox Live Arcade because they're not $60 stand-alone titles. The two seasons as a whole are a complete package in my eyes and better than most any "full" adventure games in years, anyway.
But yeah, full-length DVD releases probably won't happen soon for the consoles. More so on the PC, though. I was amazed to see how many come out.
But yeah, full-length DVD releases probably won't happen soon for the consoles. More so on the PC, though. I was amazed to see how many come out.
Speaking of Alan Wake, it was recently confirmed that the PC version went from "postponed" to "canceled".
http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/6978/microsoft-alan-wake-will-no-longer-be-coming-to-the-pc
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Don't you just love it when a pr person talks utter bullshit without blinking an eye. I bet even he doesn't belive that. It must be a fun job to lie gamers and get paid for it. Like some fella commented:
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Couch-exclusive.
I've seen follow up info indicating that Alan Wake is a 6 month exclusive, and after that, they will "re-assess." I've also heard the PC infrastructure is done, as you'd expect it to be after 6(?) years in development and only months from release. So there's no reason to cancel it completely.
MS just wants to claim a 360 exclusive. I'll bet PC gets it eventually.
I've seen follow up info indicating that Alan Wake is a 6 month exclusive, and after that, they will "re-assess." I've also heard the PC infrastructure is done, as you'd expect it to be after 6(?) years in development and only months from release. So there's no reason to cancel it completely.
MS just wants to claim a 360 exclusive. I'll bet PC gets it eventually.