Mobs in UK

[zakhal]

Well, get a hair cut and get a job? how do I get a job if I don't have an education, and even a lot of people with an education is struggling to find one?

Getting education is even harder if you think education as unnecessary. Some of the lower classes of UK cant even handle basic maths and reading/writing properly after 12 years of compulsory education.

Very few of the 16 year olds whom I meet as patients can read and write with facility; they do not even regard my question as to whether they can read and write as in the least surprising or insulting.

I cannot recall meeting a 16 year old white from the public housing estates which are near my hospital who could multiply nine by seven (I do not exaggerate). Even three by seven often defeats them. One boy of 17 told me, "We didn't get that far." This, after 12 years of compulsory education (or should I say, attendance at school).

In life everything you achieve is related to motivation. If you think that education is stupid and pointless youll never learn anything. Just like these people.

 

[ChienAboyeur]

The way you dress, rightly or wrongly, effects the first impression someone has of you. If you dress like a thug, you are putting yourself in a hole vs anyone else you are competing for a job for.

There is an old saying: Dress for the job you want, not the job you have.

Changing the dress habits of these people isn't going to solve all their problems overnight, but its part of an overall change in attitude that is needed to change their communities for the better.

It will change nothing.

Even with another dressing code, they wont get hired. So why change?

The real issues here are: do they have the qualifications for the job they apply to? The answer is likely to be no.
When they have the qualifications for the job, are hirers willing to hire a black person when they have dozens of white applicants with similar qualifications? The answer is likely to be no.

That dressing code story is just powder to the eyes, typical to the current political system. This mayor is only following the path of least resistance. These guys are consensually easy targets with no political power so no fear of retaliation.
And the dressing code story is so much cheaper to envision than the education issue and so less dangerous to evoke than jobs as a resource.
Exceptional people suffer much less about discrimination because of their lower number. Average people are average and more numerous. No risk in hiring a blond women with average skills over a dozen of brunettes with average skills. The blond looks will suit more the tastes of the majority male employees.

Like most people, when they are trained, these guys will have average skills and the job market has never been that tense hirers could not afford hiring on skin colour. One or two are taken in for the facade, for keeping the face, as an excuse. And the other profiles, right to the rubbish bin.

 

[Lucky Day]

Who knew that London was full of Canucks fans?

 

[zakhal]

I dont know how realistic it is but Im currently watching a movie about "chavs" which is one of the UK lower class subculture's.

Crackingly realistic UK 'chav' horror
14 September 2008 | by juboy70 (United Kingdom) – See all my reviews

From start to finish this film is a masterclass in confronting our views on revenge and on how we choose which 'side' to be on in any given situation.

The two adult leads are almost immediately plunged into a nightmare where children have the upper hand and where respect for adults is thrown out of the window yet the adults still view the amoral, feral youth as children (at least initially).

Eden Lake plays as virtually a documentary of Britain in 2008 and as a film gives us a stark reflection of what is happening in this country today. The only difference being that Eden Lake takes place in the countryside while the real violence in the UK takes place on our city streets.

James Watkins has managed to create real tension, real suspense and some real terror in his directorial debut. So many UK horror films come with great expectations and so many fail, but with Eden Lake, Watkins has crafted a contemporary film that is instilled with the nastiness and vicious spirit of 70s/early 80s horror such as 'Last House on the Left'.

Disturbing, challenging, thought provoking and downright electrifying in places, this is one of the best horror films of the past few years and one of the best British films this decade.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020530/

 

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Damn British… trying to act American.

… Trying to act like French, like Greece …

It's the same old story everywhere.

Now, the police is looking for a car driver who has "overrun" 2 or 3 people who are said to have been standing there to defend their own shops … Murder …


In the end, this i the price we all pay for letting the riches gain more and more money meanwhile the rest of the peoples remain relatively poor.

With the 500 Millions of Euros the head/chief of the Deutsche Dank earns in one year (I think, or was it in a month ???) quite a lot of people could get rooms, food, jobs, respect …



On that "get a hair cur, new cloths, then you'll have a job" thing : A politician dared to speak this out on a public speech a few years ago ...

An unemployed, homeless man took him by the word. And after getting a new haircut and new clothes, he demanded a new job from that politician.

He had to wait quite a while until he got one, I think, but the press didn't pursue his fate anymore. So I don't know what became of him.

 

[Pladio]

This has nothing to do with rich people or poor people in the UK. These are mostly opportunistic and greedy people trying to steal things and because they think they won't get caught they do it.

These are not protests for better pay or for better living costs. These are looters.
A protest would look something like this:
http://www.freep.com/article/20110807/NEWS07/108070476/250-000-Israelis-protest-cost-living

Not like this:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...N4ve6Q?docId=444ebfd100994c6aa5f579a2bb5258ff
Or like this:
http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-wor...ests-after-riots-and-looting-102039-23328879/

These aren't protests Alrik, jut people grabbing stuff they want or people playing with fire (literally). This didn't even start as a protest about cost of living, but about a young man who got shot by the police and the police claimed they were acting in self-defence which apparently was not true.

 

[blatantninja]

In the end, this i the price we all pay for letting the riches gain more and more money meanwhile the rest of the peoples remain relatively poor.

Its also a product of the entitlement mindset that has become pervasive of western culture.

With the 500 Millions of Euros the head/chief of the Deutsche Dank earns in one year (I think, or was it in a month ???) quite a lot of people could get rooms, food, jobs, respect …

Communism was tried and failed.

 

[Maylander]

Communism was tried and failed.

As always: Communism != Socialism.

 

[hishadow]

As good an explanation as any other:

Forensic psychologist Kay Nooney deals impatiently with the idea of cuts, specifically tuition fees, as an engine of lawlessness. "These people aren't interested in tuition fees. In constituency, it's most similar to a prison riot: what will happen is that, usually in the segregation unit, nobody will ever know exactly, but a rumour will emanate that someone has been hurt in some way. There will be some form of moral outrage that takes its expression in self-interested revenge. There is no higher purpose, you just have a high volume of people with a history of impulsive behaviour, having a giant adventure."

 

[JemyM]

Communism was tried and failed.

Communism means abolishing ownership through first conquering the state with a temporary ruling body, then disbandon the state. What you quoted from Alrik have nothing to do with communism. Socialism or Social Democracy perhaps but they are completely different systems.

 

[blatantninja]

It will change nothing.

Even with another dressing code, they wont get hired. So why change?

The real issues here are: do they have the qualifications for the job they apply to? The answer is likely to be no.
When they have the qualifications for the job, are hirers willing to hire a black person when they have dozens of white applicants with similar qualifications? The answer is likely to be no.

That dressing code story is just powder to the eyes, typical to the current political system. This mayor is only following the path of least resistance. These guys are consensually easy targets with no political power so no fear of retaliation.
And the dressing code story is so much cheaper to envision than the education issue and so less dangerous to evoke than jobs as a resource.
Exceptional people suffer much less about discrimination because of their lower number. Average people are average and more numerous. No risk in hiring a blond women with average skills over a dozen of brunettes with average skills. The blond looks will suit more the tastes of the majority male employees.

Like most people, when they are trained, these guys will have average skills and the job market has never been that tense hirers could not afford hiring on skin colour. One or two are taken in for the facade, for keeping the face, as an excuse. And the other profiles, right to the rubbish bin.

You missed my point. In order to change your opportunities, you have to change how both you and other people perceive you. Of course you still need to get the qualifications to get the job, but even if you have the qualifications, if you dress like a hoodlum, you aren't getting the job.

 

[blatantninja]

Communism means abolishing ownership through first conquering the state with a temporary ruling body, then disbandon the state. What you quoted from Alrik have nothing to do with communism. Socialism or Social Democracy perhaps but they are completely different systems.

True, though socialism, the governmental control of assets of production, doesn't have a very good track record either.

 

[JemyM]

True, though socialism, the governmental control of assets of production, doesn't have a very good track record either.

Western Europe have a bad track record?

 

[Gorath]

To give this a spin for the gaming industry:

The Sony DADC warehouse burned down during the riots. They're one of the biggest distributors for entertainment media.

 

[Zaleukos]

Western Europe have a bad track record?

That's not what BN said. Western Europe doesnt have government control of the means of production.

 

[blatantninja]

Western Europe have a bad track record?

Western Europe doesn't have true socialism. Some systems are socialized, but the general economy is not.

 

[zakhal]

As good an explanation as any other:

Very good piece. If you constantly bombard people with messages about what they "must have" and yet create a society in which they cannot possibly obtain that stuff legitimately, we should hardly be surprised when they go out and take it for themselves. It is the sense of entitlement combined with a sense of impunity, together with the oft-observed detachment from any sense of community.

 

[JemyM]

Western Europe doesn't have true socialism. Some systems are socialized, but the general economy is not.

Alrik didn't suggest "true socialism" either. Social Democracy have been very popular in western Europe but it also work within democracy for it's goals.

Money beyond your needs is power. The capacity for an individual to earn more money than an average city, is not a division of power compatible with the ideals of democracy.

 

[blatantninja]

Alrik didn't suggest "true socialism" either. Social Democracy have been very popular in western Europe but it also work within democracy for it's goals.

Money beyond your needs is power. The capacity for an individual to earn more money than an average city, is not a division of power compatible with the ideals of democracy.

But social democracy doesn't limit what people can be paid (it may tax the ever living hell out of them though), which is what Alrik was insinuating.

 

[JemyM]

But social democracy doesn't limit what people can be paid (it may tax the ever living hell out of them though), which is what Alrik was insinuating.

I let him speak for himself on that one.