Brexit

[Ripper]

Oof. As much has 50% in additional fees on good shipped into the UK? I hope y'all have lots of skilled artisans on your island. That's pretty rough.

The silly thing is, it's the producers that get hurt in the end. People will very quickly reduce their purchases of such goods from Europe, and vice versa.

 

[Couchpotato]

The silly thing is, it's the producers that get hurt in the end. People will very quickly reduce their purchases of such goods from Europe, and vice versa.

I hear China salivating at the trade potential. There king of cheap products.

 

[Redglyph]

Talking about China, most of what's available on Amazon is coming from there now. Incredible.

Maybe Amazon.co.uk will be spared

 

[Couchpotato]

Talking about China, most of what's available on Amazon is coming from there now. Incredible.

Tell me about it ended up buying $300 of useless crap that wont fit anyone that I bought gifts for. They wont even give back my money until I pay to ship the stuff back.

So let it be a warning everything Walmart sells online is from China also.

 

[Corwin]

We're currently not getting as much from China because they're unhappy with us supporting America's call for an investigation into the origins of Covid. They can't punish America, so they're after us. Problem for them is that without our coal (which they have banned) many of their coal powered industries can't function and other countries with poorer quality coal are charging them much more than we were, so they are actually hurting themselves. Banning our wine imports means the wine makers are having to sell more here which brings down the local price!! I'm quite happy about that!!!!

 

[KaosWarMonk]

This clip came up in my feed today, I'm not a fan of Morgan or Sky News but it's short so I gave it a watch.

So I'm necro-ing this one to see how people feel about Brexit a couple of years down the track.

For the record, my preference was to stay with the EU but having never and not planning to live in the UK I didn't vote. All the talking heads I saw at the time seemed to be popularist clowns. Some internet person said that it reminded them of the Kipling line about the truth being "twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools". That seems to be somewhat of a theme in recent times.

 

[Redglyph]

I'd be interested to hear that too. Even though I'm not living in the UK either, this referendum and the will to see this through despite everything really saddened me.

 

[Pladio]

I personally don't see any positives from it, yet it obviously wasn't the major catastrophe portrayed by others.

Overall négatives from my perspective

1. Harder to travel around Europe due to fees
2. Seems like a lot of admin is slowing down goods coming into the UK and has further raised inflation on top of what it would have been
3. They were doing this in part to control migration figures and lower it all the way down yet net migration last year was a record high


This are off the top of my head.

 

[Taluntain]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

I apologize for the comedic interlude.

 

[SveNitoR]

I personally don't see any positives from it, yet it obviously wasn't the major catastrophe portrayed by others.

Overall négatives from my perspective

1. Harder to travel around Europe due to fees
2. Seems like a lot of admin is slowing down goods coming into the UK and has further raised inflation on top of what it would have been
3. They were doing this in part to control migration figures and lower it all the way down yet net migration last year was a record high


This are off the top of my head.

How has the financial sector fared? I know London was the EU hub before, but it can't be anymore. How is it now?

 

[Pladio]

How has the financial sector fared? I know London was the EU hub before, but it can't be anymore. How is it now?

As far as I know, that was overblown too. They managed to make agreements with all the important players and keep the majority of what they're doing in London.
Only some specialist roles have moved across.

Assets-wise they did lose some major European-only assets but it doesn't seem to have been the end of London as was originally thought by some people.

 

[SveNitoR]

As a Swede/EU member the most obvious changes I've noticed, are that tourism in England is a bit harder, that trade is more convoluted, fishing rights seem harder to come to an agreement, and of course the worries about conflict on the border of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Also some further concerns about Scottish independence wishes.

 

[Qayto]

The U.K has yet to see any benefits from Brexit, I doubt we ever will. It has caused untold division in our society and the economic damage is glaring. We can no longer recruit to our health services even when the immigration rules are relaxed.
The independence campaign in Wales is also gathering more interest. I was always against it (I'm Welsh) but have revised my view.

 

[Couchpotato]

Never understood the need for every country to be independent. There is strength in Unity and if Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland get independence they'll learn the hard way.

Anyway I doubt England would sit idle and let it happen.

 

[SveNitoR]

Never understood the need for every country to be independent. There is strength in Unity and if Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland get independence they'll learn the hard way.

Anyway I doubt England would sit idle and let it happen.

I believe they partly want to be independent from Britain to be able to join EU. So they wouldn't be independent.

But I agree with you, that unity in general is better. We are dependent on each other, even people in other countries, no matter how much we wish it weren't so.

 

[OverIt]

So far it is bad but not as bad as it could have been:

Debt is now 100% of GDP, before it was like 80%

UK government debt and deficit - Office for National Statistics

Quarterly estimates of UK government debt and deficit.

www.ons.gov.uk

GDP is back to normal

Gross Domestic Product: chained volume measures: Seasonally adjusted £m - Office for National Statistics

Inflation however is spiking to like 10% and i dont know what is causing it. Usually inflation hits when people have more money which doesnt seem to be the case here.

Inflation and price indices - Office for National Statistics

The rate of inflation is the change in prices for goods and services over time. Measures of inflation and prices include consumer price inflation, producer price inflation and the House Price Index.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Redglyph]

I've experienced upclose the failure of unity when populations that are different enough have been assembled into one country. Even the very motto of my country tried to keep us together: 'Unity Makes Strength'. But it's strength against an enemy, not in peace time when our differences make us look like our own adversaries. As if oil and water could remain united after being stirred.

I don't know Wales enough to understand how different they feel though. They've been part of England before Scotland and Ireland were added to create GB and UK, so it must feel like a very long time. I thought that, despite having kept their own identity, there was a much stronger pride to belong to a country such as the UK. But perhaps that belonging to a larger entity like Europe makes it look less important.

 

[Qayto]

Wales is a country in it's own right but without sovereignty. A devolved Welsh parliament have some powers. Some Welsh feel treated like second class citizens with the destruction of our language and culture. The EU funded a lot of stuff in Wales and that funding won't be replaced in full.

Wales voted to leave the EU (52/47) There is anecdotal evidence that Welsh folk tended towards voting Remain. English people who live in Wales tended towards voting to Leave. The Welsh tend towards voting for left wing parties but the UK are governed currently by a right wing party.

It isn't anti-English (I live in England, married to an English man) but a sense of the government in Westminister favouring England. I just can't see any benefit from Brexit (if there are any) finding it's way to Wales/Scotland. I do strongly believe that the Leave campaign lied, lied and then lied again, playing on peoples fears of "other" everything was the EUs fault. The Welsh and Scots are now in line to be the "other".