vanedor
Keeper of the Watch
Acting in a different way with a pregnant woman, a 3 years old kid or a 84 years old grannie has nothing to do with racial profiling.
Sometimes it's appropriate to take something and put it under a microscope in order to get a good look at it, and this incident is definitely one of those times, I think.But there is a difference between over-reaction and career-ending racist brutality. Many folks here have insinuated that. And I really believe that they are wrong.
And when they do they will immediately notice what the rest of us noticed, that the officer was white and the old woman was black. Myself, I hope they go out of their way to suspect racism. Why the hell not?
In my mind, suspecting racism isn't racism. Recognizing it isn't racism. Raising an objection to it in order to deal with it fairly and intelligently isn't racism. But having zero tolerance for the subject of racism.... That I think sometimes could be due to racism.
That's you, you're talking about, and I'm sure you're right.Funny, skin color was certainly not the first thing I noticed, nor did it even occur to me, and it would have been the same if the roles were reversed also.
That's you again you're talking about, right? Or can you read other people's minds? You don't like what occurred to you, and you're attributing it to others.Oops, you seem to have left out "automatically assuming racism", as that seems to be common here as well.
That's you, you're talking about, and I'm sure you're right.
That's you again you're talking about, right? Or can you read other people's minds? You don't like what occurred to you, and you're attributing it to others.
Of course, all of our opinions have been expressed in writing, so feel free to dispute that by quoting the folks you claim have "automatically [assumed] racism." Good luck.
I don't understand the connection you're making. What does your opinion of yourself have to do with me?So then you're saying you can't look at people without seeing color? Well at least admitting it is the first step.....
Are you saying any reference to racism automatically assumes racism and that's why it's wrong? If not, maybe you can make a specific case for your accusation instead of making broad references and general assertions.Are you kidding? Nearly all of your post have focused on color. In fact, that's all you seem to be able to talk about...
I don't understand the connection you're making. What does your opinion of yourself have to do with me?.
Are you saying any reference to racism automatically assumes racism and that's why it's wrong? If not, maybe you can make a specific case for your accusation instead of making broad references and general assertions.
Or you could always just get pissed off and have a tantrum like the previous poster who didn't like being challenged to get specific.
I suppose I'll just have to accept that as your response. Fair enough.I'm saying you don't seem to have the ability to look at people without seeing color first and foremost....and that's just sad...(snip)...Or I can be like you, and keep pretending to be too ignorant to understand what I'm saying.
The first accusation of what the cop was thinking:Like Gates, this victim was old, black and walking with a cane. Each police officer was white and ended up calling for backup. And like the Gates episode, this is also a disgrace.
A clear statement of what you're thinking:Body slam that black bitch! Use a cop move on her! Kung Fu her ass!
And finally, a blatant and undeniable accusation:But I did point out that both cops were white and both victims were black. If you think that means those cops were probably racist, then I don't blame you since that does seem like an obvious possibility.
I do suspect that this particular cop may have had more sympathy for this feeble old lady if she had been white.
I don't understand the connection you're making. What does your opinion of yourself have to do with me?Are you saying any reference to racism automatically assumes racism and that's why it's wrong? If not, maybe you can make a specific case for your accusation instead of making broad references and general assertions.
Or you could always just get pissed off and have a tantrum like the previous poster who didn't like being challenged to get specific.
Squeek said:And when they do they will immediately notice what the rest of us noticed, that the officer was white and the old woman was black. Myself, I hope they go out of their way to suspect racism. Why the hell not?
squeek said:I do suspect that this particular cop may have had more sympathy for this feeble old lady if she had been white. And I suspect Crowley has an easier time dealing with irate people who aren't black and accusing him of racism.
squeek said:There's a mystery! Old...confused...unresponsive....
Body slam that black bitch! Use a cop move on her! Kung Fu her ass!
squeek said:Like Gates, this victim was old, black and walking with a cane. Each police officer was white and ended up calling for backup. And like the Gates episode, this is also a disgrace.
This police officer should turn in her badge. She might want to consider career opportunities in professional wrestling instead.
squeek said:On the one hand you see no justification for this particular guy, Gates, to have suspected he was being treated unfairly by this particular cop due to his race. Yet on the other hand you think "anyone can come up with [a similar] instance" where they were being treated unfairly by cops due to their race and that you know you could from your own personal experience.
If that adds up for you, then I'm not surprised you can relate to Crowley. Please do us all a favor and never become a cop.
Keep better track of the conversation, buddy. You didn't quote what I had already said. You quoted what I went on to say afterwards in response to someone else's reasonable request for me to elaborate. That was lame and seemed to confuse you. The fact of the matter is, I do have a point of view and don't mind expressing it at all. It just happens to be a shade of gray (and you hate shades of gray, it seems).I did get specific. I QUOTED YOU.
If conversation about racism could only be all one way or the other, if opinions could only be expressed in black or white, then I suppose you might say that I "assumed racism." But in the real world one can suspect racism and discuss that suspicion without assuming anything. And there are varieties of racist attitudes at a variety of levels to consider.You owe JDR an apology for wasting his time with your lies.