George Floyd Has An Extensive Criminal History

[ChienAboyeur]

No problem with legit protests, but if they're supposed to be about the George Floyd incident then it'd make more sense to focus on cop misconduct - which affects people of all races regularly.

Impressively, people are prevented from addressing that issue of police officers misconduct in the US.
Storytelling as by demand of the american system.
In a society driven by the american system, there is a hierarchy in populations, making easier for layers to adress issues.
If the police misconduct issue was so acute for layers, it would have dealt with already.

Plus, it's needlessly polarizing to essentially accuse the country of being racist over an incident that may not even be race-related (nobody knows except Derek Chauvin). But being needlessly polarizing is nothing new for activists on all sides.

It is unrelated to racism. In the US, at the moment, plenty of young black people are working hard to join the forces, they see in the move a way to kill white people without no string attached. Without being held accountable. It is a major risk. Something like one million white people have been already killed this way by black police officers. Figures simply are not reported.

 

[Myrthos]

If these figures are not reported where do you get the number of one million from?

 

[SirJames]

Well, if anyone cares, the BLM protests got a last minute supreme court appeal and went ahead.

They were very cringy and boring and 98% white people.

They had a few speakers from USA but I don't think they were very effective because the Australian movement is more focused on the Aboriginals which the speakers knew nothing about. They sort of shifted the spotlight away from them like an interval.

At one point they got everyone down on a knee with a fist in the air. I thought it was pretty embarrassing.

Of course, none of them bought up the real issues that plague the Aboriginal communities. I doubt any of them even know what really goes on. The real issues they face come from within the community. It's domestic level shit.

 

[Couchpotato]

Link - https://medium.com/@johnanderson1989/no-it-is-not-racist-to-oppose-blm-65c941e4596

Raise your voice against against riots, statue smashing, police acquiescence, political opportunism and the accompanying corporate virtue-signaling; express any kind of concern at all about the street activism and divisive identity politics that appears so potent, and you run the risk of being accused of racism.

And in many occupations, merely the accusation of racism, never mind proof of it, can be enough to cost you your job.

This chilling effect on free speech and debate is no accident.

As this article points out, BLM has been masterfully designed to, not only promote its agenda, but to silence and shame any opposition.

“BLM is a classic and effective piece of rhetorical blackmail. Either get on board or you’re a racist: that is the logic of it — a logic driven by fear.

“It’s the perfect slogan, as befitting the powerful alignment between progressive liberal-left politics and the PR, media and advertising industries across the Anglophone world. There’s an immediate and powerful social block on even questioning this movement just from its name.”

But no political movement should ever be above scrutiny and criticism, however cleverly it has been designed and marketed.

It needs to be said clearly — just because you find BLM’s politics and approach to politics, worrying, that doesn’t make you a racist.

 

[Cacheperl]

Raise your voice against racism and you run the risk of being accused of suppressing free speech.

 

[Ripper]

“BLM is a classic and effective piece of rhetorical blackmail. Either get on board or you’re a racist: that is the logic of it — a logic driven by fear.

What absolute bollocks. It's the way organisations for social change have always named themselves - to illustrate whatever message they consider their raison d'etre. "Save the Children" was founded in 1919, and no one seriously believes we can't criticize its campaigns and actions without being portrayed as anti-children. Some of its actions have in the past been denounced as "morally reprehensible", and two of its top executives removed for sleazing after women.

In the old days, of course, certain newspapers attacked them for helping foreign children instead focusing only on the lovely British ones. And these people were, indeed, arseholes.

 

[Capt. Huggy Face]

Bill Gates got plenty of the same kind of criticism in recent years here in the U.S., when he and his wife started their foundation. They had this huge pile of cash, and Bill Gates did a simple cost-effectiveness study for how he could do the most good -- save the most lives -- with that money. The answer was immunizations. He went first where the need and potential impact were greatest, which meant Africa. And, of course, he caught hell for it.

 

[ChienAboyeur]

If these figures are not reported where do you get the number of one million from?

From crossing data.

 

[ChienAboyeur]

Yeah, I'd agree that China/Russia have done less direct damage outside their own territories, but I think that's more because they've been held in check to some degree. When I look at how they behave internally - re-education camps, openly disappearing dissidents and journalists, forbidding criticism and troublesome literature - I do think their dominance would be the fast train to the Orwellian nightmare.

A dense extract, shows how racism is ingrained in the american system which means using it as a tool. They can not do without it.

Other countries's achievements are questionable as they owe to being kept in check by countries living under the american system.

Taking a look at domestic populations to understand how their supremacy would translate is mandatory.

Both indians and black slaves' descendents are old populations in the US, they existed from the start. As such, they also serve as examples of what the american system can do to their domestic populations. At least for simple minded people.

It reminds one comment made by the moderation: under DJT, the world has understood that the US are not trustworthy. A lesson long learned by anyone who takes into account the numerous breaches of indian treaties.
Something else though exists to prevent from learning, it was not possible to relate to indian populations, the breaches must happen with other populations so that the conclusion of untrustworthiness is reached.

Same here, black slaves'descendents also constitute a population that can be used to learn how the american system is able to treat people. Topical. Yet caution is advised against other regimes due to the way they treat domestic populations.

In both cases, both the indian and black slaves's descendents populations must be dismissed to focus on how other regimes deal with their populations.

As to being kept in check. Libya under the mad dog Gaddafi was what it was because it was kept in check.
Libya is liberated, it translated into pogroms against blacks living in Libya and open sky public market places auctioning black people into slavery.

The absence of pogroms against blacks in Libya and them not being traded in slavery under the mad dog were the result of Libya being kept in check.
Since liberalization, the requirement for check has lessened: pogroms and slave trading.

By all means, concluding that the absence of pogroms and the absence of slave trading happpened because of a different political will despite the american system check is erroneous.

Shows again how much racism is essential to the american system. The abolition of it only is conceived as benefitial for all, it must benefit everyone. Bribery, they expect a stipend from it.

Which is somehow weird as ending oppression usually is perceived as an oppression by oppressors.

 

[Myrthos]

From crossing data.

Please do show us how you have done that, otherwise you are just making it up.

 

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Wikipedia Article : "Victim Blaming" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming



About Racism : Minstrel Show : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minstrel_show

 

[txa1265]

"Victim Blaming"

That is what gets me about this - and it seems so obvious that only the thickest shroud of white supremacy can cover it up:
- If someone is black, then the correct thing to do is to dig into every aspect of everything about them and find things (most of which would not have been known to police at the time) to justify why the police murdered the black person.
- If the person is white, then all effort must go to disassociating them from any organization or anything else and just call them a 'lone wolf' and then seek something else to blame (like video games).

Again and again and again.

 

[Alrik Fassbauer]

Yes, at disturbs me as well.

It really doesn't matter what kind of record´of criminal activities George Floyd might have had - it is paramount to treat a human person as a human person.

I could even quote Kant, he made things imho very clear with his "categorical imperative" : Quote from Wikipedia :

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.[1]

Cynically put, this recursively means that the policepersons treating George Floyd that way express with their behaviour that they want to be treated in the same manner.


And by the way, even German chancellor Merkel called that inappropriate behaviour "murder". I agree.

 

[ChienAboyeur]

Please do show us how you have done that, otherwise you are just making it up.

Then things were made up. The moderation on this thread is nothing more entitled than anyone else to get an answer.

At the moment, the balance sheet is one answer in debt. Pointless to add to the debt. When the board is cleared, then maybe.

 

[ChienAboyeur]

I do think that, strategically, our best hope would be for the US to get its shit together and have some kind of political renaissance.

The US have never derailled from their agenda since the beginning, they do not have to get their shit together as they have never lost it.

In this unusually free country, where everyone is allowed to thrive (freedom!) the original populations that own the land are on decline, their number dwindles, this in a context of world population boom.

Meaningless though as measuring the effects on a system by checking out the welfare of certain populations is left to other systems. The american system is exempt from it.

Again, bribery and coercion are essential in the american system. Other systems are able to make the claim that bribery and coercion are non essential, background noise.

Pushing for accordingly values in the american system means making the situation better for everyone.

Oppressors can be made to surrender oppression only if they receive something more valuable in return. The victim may be granted something only when the victimizer receives a stipend.

Pyramidal scheme by the way which ensures situations never change.

 

[ChienAboyeur]

If you're into nationalism and love your traditonal white european values you must be a racist neo-nazi type.

Which is a decent explanation because it takes something to achieve that aggregation.

No nation at the moment in Europe was founded on traditional white values.
The US were founded on the white race thing.

Europe harbours a collection of ethnicities that happen to be white skinned and have an extensive record of wars, conflicts, alliances, betrayals etc among themselves.

It is part of the US plan to bring Europe under its melting pot program which erases historical loyalties in favour of the white race, it is not yet done.

And when it is achieved, it will get rid of any traditional sets of value that could have existed before that because it goes against the history of the place known as Europe.

People in Europe will have to take the same step forward as people from Europe who went to the american territories did: relinquish on their loyalties to join the melting pot.
Except this time, it will happen in Europe, meaning the obliteration of european ethnicities, peoples or whatever.

So racist neo nazi is a decent explanation. There are others.

 

[Myrthos]

Then things were made up. The moderation on this thread is nothing more entitled than anyone else to get an answer.

At the moment, the balance sheet is one answer in debt. Pointless to add to the debt. When the board is cleared, then maybe.

So you figure out a number yourself. A number that is not presented anywhere else. You refuse to share how you get to that number, so there is no way of determining the validity of that number, which makes what you say not very valid.

As to the second part of the sentence, I have no clue what that is about.

 

[txa1265]

I have no clue what that is about.

That is the universal answer to all ChienAboyeur posts!

 

[Cacheperl]

@Myrthos;: Chien claims to have asked a question on Mount & Blade Bannerlord that was never answered. For that reason, he refuses to provide answers himself.

Sounds perfectly fair if you ask me.

 

[Ripper]

As to the second part of the sentence, I have no clue what that is about.

He seems to think our failure to answer his mysterious question has extended his license to talk convoluted, half-baked drivel. Filtering it through broken English doesn't actually disguise ramblings at the level of a pretentious teenager.